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Old 08-12-17, 03:05 PM   #3501
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Re: We are a nation of cowards for not discussing race issues....

One person reported dead in Charlottesville. No details, although I'd assume, related to the car crash.
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Old 08-12-17, 03:07 PM   #3502
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I haven't been paying much attention to this...but why are these Nazis so angry? Didn't Trump win the election? Shouldn't they be happy? Don't get it.
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In that first picture the car is clearly pulling left, trying to hit those trying to flee.
At least his license plate is clear as day, and it's trending on twitter as a domestic terror suspect. He's little different than the terrorists who did similar shit in France.
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I haven't been paying much attention to this...but why are these Nazis so angry? Didn't Trump win the election? Shouldn't they be happy? Don't get it.
No, instead of feeling shamed, Trump's win makes them feel emboldened.
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I haven't been paying much attention to this...but why are these Nazis so angry? Didn't Trump win the election? Shouldn't they be happy? Don't get it.
Snowflakes who don't want to see a confederate monument removed. Was a reason to get a bunch of KKK guys together to express some free speech. Because civility and sensibility is for losers.

These are Trump voters and supporters. The ones that tipped the election for him and continue to approve of him. And that should be talked about.
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Old 08-12-17, 03:23 PM   #3509
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Everybody knows that "Make America Great Again" was a dog whistle for "roll back civil rights back 50+ years". This is what Trump voters want, and they will stop at nothing to get it. This is is just the beginning, and things are only going to get much much worse.
Stop exaggerating and being so paranoid.
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No, instead of feeling shamed, Trump's win makes them feel emboldened.
Moreover, since they're lot hasn't really changed since Trump was elected, like they probably assumed it would, instead of being angry with Trump (or with themselves), they can only be angry at who they've always been angry; the "other", who they can place their blame on, ignoring their usual rallying cry of self-responsibility when it suits them.
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Old 08-12-17, 03:25 PM   #3511
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There has to come a point where we as a country say we're not going to accept the sort of worldview that calls for genocide and the subjugation of people based on the color of their skin. I support the protestors, who the governor is already blaming for the violence by the way.

All the calls for non-violence assumes that the white supremacists themselves aren't at some point going to become violent. I think that's a dangerous assumption.

Furthermore, it's an attempt to get people to accept state violence against them without retaliation. The police have become paramilitary forces that seek to break, destroy, and imprison those who stand up to authority.
I find it interesting how pro-2A activists will tell us that Germany not having gun control would have prevented the Holocaust.

But when Nazis are marching through the streets they tell us that we need to be nice to them and hear them out.
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Old 08-12-17, 03:27 PM   #3512
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There has to come a point where we as a country say we're not going to accept the sort of worldview that calls for genocide and the subjugation of people based on the color of their skin. I support the protestors, who the governor is already blaming for the violence by the way.

All the calls for non-violence assumes that the white supremacists themselves aren't at some point going to become violent. I think that's a dangerous assumption.

Furthermore, it's an attempt to get people to accept state violence against them without retaliation. The police have become paramilitary forces that seek to break, destroy, and imprison those who stand up to authority.
I never assume that the white supremacists aren't going to become violent. Violence is a basic part of their vocabulary, whether it's Klansmen putting Emmitt Till in his place or skinheads stomping Pakistani teenagers.

I'm opposed to meeting their taste for lawless violence with more lawless violence. That's playing to their strengths. Their weakness is law and order. In this country, the police will arrest them if they do anything more than march and shout. Their days of Jim Crow impunity are gone. The mayor of Charlottesville is Black. Many of the Charlottesville police are Black. Allow the police to keep the peace, and the white nationalists will lose.

The alternative is to say that if they can drive cars through rallies, then we can drive cars through rallies too. There will be people who think that way. We shouldn't encourage them. The end result of that kind of thinking is car bombs.
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Old 08-12-17, 03:32 PM   #3513
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Old 08-12-17, 03:39 PM   #3514
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I never assume that the white supremacists aren't going to become violent. Violence is a basic part of their vocabulary, whether it's Klansmen putting Emmitt Till in his place or skinheads stomping Pakistani teenagers.

I'm opposed to meeting their taste for lawless violence with more lawless violence. That's playing to their strengths. Their weakness is law and order. In this country, the police will arrest them if they do anything more than march and shout. Their days of Jim Crow impunity are gone. The mayor of Charlottesville is Black. Many of the Charlottesville police are Black. Allow the police to keep the peace, and the white nationalists will lose.

The alternative is to say that if they can drive cars through rallies, then we can drive cars through rallies too. There will be people who think that way. We shouldn't encourage them. The end result of that kind of thinking is car bombs.
Law and order is not their weakness. Much of law enforcement either sympathizes with or is affiliated with white supremacists groups. Here in Portland, the police department uses white militia groups to help them "keep the peace" during protests. The results are that PoC get beaten.

Fascists are at war with progressives, PoC, sexual minorities, Jews and Muslims, basically anyone who isn't white and wants to keep things white. They're enemy combatants, not law abiding citizens who mean no harm.
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At least his license plate is clear as day, and it's trending on twitter as a domestic terror suspect. He's little different than the terrorists who did similar shit in France.
Was at least one state looking to make it legal for cars to hit protestors if they are blocking streets?
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Old 08-12-17, 03:55 PM   #3518
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White supremacists killed someone in broad daylight today and the President made sure he didn't condemn them.

I wonder how many Trump supporters fucking loved that. #MAGA
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I can't see the videos on Twitter, so I looked at them on YouTube. The comments are all in favor of the car driver.
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Old 08-12-17, 04:00 PM   #3520
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I can't see the videos on Twitter, so I looked at them on YouTube. The comments are all in favor of the car driver.
Trump set the stage for beating up protestors and "taking care of" people who oppose him. No surprise that his supporters took that and ran with it.
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I haven't been paying much attention to this...but why are these Nazis so angry? Didn't Trump win the election? Shouldn't they be happy? Don't get it.
Read that Charlottesville wants to take down a statue of Confederate Leader Robert E Lee, & that's the "reason" for the protesting
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Apparently one of the PD helicopters have went down in the woods outside of CVille
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