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Old 03-21-13, 03:24 PM   #26
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Re: LBJ on Nixon: Traitor

LBJ was great in making the correct decisions. But, when it came to Vietnam, for some unknown reason, he attempted to delegate the decisions to others - mainly in the military. He relied on what turned out to be incompetency in our military leadership in Vietnam.
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Old 03-21-13, 03:57 PM   #27
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LBJ was great in making the correct decisions. But, when it came to Vietnam, for some unknown reason, he attempted to delegate the decisions to others - mainly in the military. He relied on what turned out to be incompetency in our military leadership in Vietnam.
Yeah, I remember all those "Great Society" decisions. We're so much better off because of them.

Or are you referring to LeBron James?
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Old 04-17-13, 07:12 PM   #28
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I used to like Nixon as shown in previous threads i made on him, but changed my mind, he's a creepy weird fuck.
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Old 04-17-13, 07:54 PM   #29
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He didn't bang enough women for you, did he?
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Old 04-17-13, 08:00 PM   #30
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I used to like Nixon as shown in previous threads i made on him, but changed my mind, he's a creepy weird fuck.
True, but name a politician in a high office that isn't a creepy weird fuck.
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Old 04-17-13, 11:06 PM   #31
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Yes that is ironically the reason i think. Fuck him. I'll take the bamboozling JFK instead.
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Old 04-18-13, 01:23 AM   #32
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You need help man.
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Old 06-09-14, 10:19 PM   #33
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Does anyone know why Nixon achieved Detente with the Soviets in the 70s in contrast with Reagan who did Cold War Redux in the 80s? Was the Republic party not of one mind or something?

Also i'm trying to wonder how accurate is this assessment that he sabotaged the Paris Peace talks?
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Old 06-09-14, 10:30 PM   #34
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Does anyone know why Nixon achieved Detente with the Soviets in the 70s in contrast with Reagan who did Cold War Redux in the 80s? Was the Republic party not of one mind or something?
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The Cold War was "back on" before Reagan took office.
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He allegedly tried keep the President of South Vietnam out of the peace talks until after the election, but it was moot because the President wasn't negotiating anyway.
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Old 06-09-14, 11:57 PM   #35
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The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The Cold War was "back on" before Reagan took office.
True, but even in '76, Reagan was much more Hawkish toward the U.S.S.R. than Ford. Both parties definitely had much more internal ideological diversity during the detente era, and there were proponents and opponents of detente in each.
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Old 06-10-14, 12:15 AM   #36
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Oh i basically found out my own answer, 70s and pre-ussr was strong so nixon could only placate with them while in the 80s they were rotting inside out so reagan could fuck with them.
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Old 06-10-14, 12:21 AM   #37
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Oh i basically found out my own answer, 70s and pre-ussr was strong so nixon could only placate with them while in the 80s they were rotting inside out so reagan could fuck with them.
That's not a good answer. Nobody in the west realized how bad things were in the USSR until it fell apart. The reality is that you had people all along who were saying to take a hard line with them, and you had people all along arguing for detente.
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Old 06-10-14, 12:25 AM   #38
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Oh i basically found out my own answer, 70s and pre-ussr was strong so nixon could only placate with them while in the 80s they were rotting inside out so reagan could fuck with them.
The USSR was on a slow decline from 1973 to dissolution. They had really effective propaganda in the 80s. Then again, so did we.
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Old 06-10-14, 10:45 AM   #39
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I liked LBJ. He can't be all bad - Jackie Kennedy liked him.
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Old 06-10-14, 11:06 AM   #40
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That's not a good answer. Nobody in the west realized how bad things were in the USSR until it fell apart.
This is true, and for me personally, this was one of the great lessons as to how quickly history can turn, and how even the experts can be blindsided in regards to massive historical changes.

In 1987 I was in college, and I studied abroad for a semester in Denmark. I was studying history, and took a class on the Soviet Union, and the professor was a NATO adviser, and one of the leading Danish experts on the Soviet Union (and he was fairly conservative, and no fan of the Soviets). Our class included a 2 week visit to Moscow and Leningrad, as well. I remember the class itself was pretty intensive, and very up-to-date as far as current developments in the Soviet Union. On the trip there, there were posters and signs everywhere celebrating the 70th anniversary of the revolution. I don't remember the professor or anyone in class EVER suggesting anything remotely like the idea that the Soviet Union was on its last legs. As I recall, the idea that in 3-4 years the Soviet Union would just disintegrate would have gotten you laughed out of the room.
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Old 06-10-14, 02:50 PM   #41
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So .... if we both agree that Nixon did scummy things and Kennedy did scummy things, why are we arguing?
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Old 06-10-14, 03:43 PM   #42
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Yeah, I remember all those "Great Society" decisions. We're so much better off because of them.

Or are you referring to LeBron James?
You don't believe Medicare is a good program?

There are millions of people who would disagree with you.
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True, but name a politician in a high office that isn't a creepy weird fuck.
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Old 06-15-14, 03:05 AM   #44
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Need more clarification on Marianna Liu. It has recently come to my attention when perusing a site, that he had a Chinese mistress/hooker/hostess while he was in Hong Kong in 1958, this was filmed by British intelligence and so he could not fire Hoover who had the goods on him. How credible are these sources? Need intelligence reports on this thanks.
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