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Old 04-12-12, 06:26 PM   #1
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North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

Just breaking.
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Old 04-12-12, 06:27 PM   #2
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Just breaking.
Yes, it probably is.

We'll see if the younger Il is any better at rocketeering than his father was.
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Old 04-12-12, 06:28 PM   #3
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Yes, it probably is.

We'll see if the younger Il is any better at rocketeering than his father was.
Nope.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...1#.T4dluY4ycjc
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Old 04-12-12, 06:30 PM   #4
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

Well, at least he deprived his citizens of food for a good cause.

Also, I was incorrect in calling him Il. He is Un.
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Old 04-12-12, 06:34 PM   #5
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

Did you get it into Wikipedia yet?
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Old 04-12-12, 06:35 PM   #6
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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Well, at least he deprived his citizens of food for a good cause.

Also, I was incorrect in calling him Il. He is Un.
I just go with Il II to avoid any confusion.
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Old 04-12-12, 07:06 PM   #7
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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Reports from US, South Korean and Japanese officials suggest the launch failed shortly after take-off.

"The flying object is believed to have flown for more than one minute and fallen into the ocean. This does not affect our country's territory at all," news agency AFP quoted Japanese Defence Minister Naiki Tanaka as saying.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17698438
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Old 04-12-12, 07:42 PM   #8
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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"Flying object"
A polite way of saying "pile of crap"

From what I saw on TV, I'm surprised this thing made it off the construction crane, er, launch pad.
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Old 04-12-12, 07:43 PM   #9
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

One of these days I say we let South Korea just obliterate North Korea. The "war" would likely not last the weekend and we'd finally be done with them. I'm fairly certain that the general quality of life of the average North Korean citizen would be improved with the political change as well.
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Old 04-13-12, 08:50 AM   #10
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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"Flying object"
I can't believe some of the comments on that news story.

"8.Raj Blake
13 Hours ago
Amazing how the propaganda machine has churned over this story. Any country that doesn't fall into the West's view of things is subject to it's spin doctor's wrath. America with-holds food aid from a million people in North Korea, and the media here doesn't bat an eyelid.

Treat other country's with respect, and accept that they have the right to their own way of life."


"562.Drunken Hobo
2 Hours ago
Many are saying that it was a waste of money that could have been used to help reduce poverty in the country, but that's not how it works. This rocket launch will have created thousands of jobs in North Korea and will help the country progress into the space age. Satellites are a huge part of the Western economy, so this can only help North Korea. Well, if they can get the next one right it will."

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Can we not try to get closer to N Korea and show them a route to a more open society Surly by including them in as many org is the adult thing to do Be inclusive and open allows openness in both directions The rhetoric used by the USA and others is appalling effectively saying Do it our way or else So last Century Other countries need to speak openly against USA militaristic views and actions"

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Old 04-13-12, 09:42 AM   #11
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

A friend's comment:
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So Kim Jong Un's inaugural missile lasted less than a minute before blowing its load all over the Pacific. Ah, youth.
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Old 04-13-12, 11:41 AM   #12
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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"Flying object"
That person quoted Japanese is. Japanese language like not English. Grammar different. Translation much difficult. Stupid sound when bad translators translate bad.
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Old 04-13-12, 12:07 PM   #13
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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That person quoted Japanese is. Japanese language like not English. Grammar different. Translation much difficult. Stupid sound when bad translators translate bad.
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Japan's Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka also confirmed that the launched failed.

"We have confirmed that a certain flying object has been launched and fell after flying for just over a minute," he said.
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

In context less of a "lost in translation" moment and more of a slam against North Korea. Or Rodan.
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Old 04-13-12, 12:11 PM   #14
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

Yeah, I took it as an insult to NK, rather than calling it a missle or rocket, it was just some thing they flung into the air.
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Old 04-13-12, 12:26 PM   #15
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

In context less of a "lost in translation" moment and more of a slam against North Korea. Or Rodan.
"A certain _______" is a stock phrase that you find in a lot of bad translations of Japanese lit and movies, along with "that person" and "you are an existence."
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Old 04-13-12, 12:29 PM   #16
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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I can't believe some of the comments on that news story.

"8.Raj Blake
13 Hours ago
Amazing how the propaganda machine has churned over this story. Any country that doesn't fall into the West's view of things is subject to it's spin doctor's wrath. America with-holds food aid from a million people in North Korea, and the media here doesn't bat an eyelid.

Treat other country's with respect, and accept that they have the right to their own way of life."


"562.Drunken Hobo
2 Hours ago
Many are saying that it was a waste of money that could have been used to help reduce poverty in the country, but that's not how it works. This rocket launch will have created thousands of jobs in North Korea and will help the country progress into the space age. Satellites are a huge part of the Western economy, so this can only help North Korea. Well, if they can get the next one right it will."

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Can we not try to get closer to N Korea and show them a route to a more open society Surly by including them in as many org is the adult thing to do Be inclusive and open allows openness in both directions The rhetoric used by the USA and others is appalling effectively saying Do it our way or else So last Century Other countries need to speak openly against USA militaristic views and actions"

Where do people "learn" to be like this? It's like they're brain damaged.
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Old 04-13-12, 01:02 PM   #17
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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"A certain _______" is a stock phrase that you find in a lot of bad translations of Japanese lit and movies, along with "that person" and "you are an existence."
Here is the press conference, care to provide us with your translation O'Hara-san?
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Old 04-13-12, 01:35 PM   #18
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

Loved some of the opinions expressed about the failure:

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In downtown Pyongyang, university student Kim Kwang Jin was sanguine about the news.

"I'm not too disappointed. There was always the chance of failure," he said. "Other nations — including China and Russia — have had failures while building their space programs so why wouldn't we? I hope that in the future, we're able to build a better satellite."
Might be more helpful to build a working rocket instead of building a more expensive satellite destined to splash down in the ocean minutes after launch.

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"Scientists, technicians and experts are now being lined up and shot looking into the cause of the failure," North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency said in a report, which was also read out in a news broadcast on state-run television.
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Old 04-13-12, 02:20 PM   #19
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Where do people "learn" to be like this? It's like they're brain damaged.
College -- liberal poli sci professors.
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Old 04-13-12, 02:21 PM   #20
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Yeah, I took it as an insult to NK, rather than calling it a missle or rocket, it was just some thing they flung into the air.
That's not a missile, that's a fizzle.
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Old 04-13-12, 02:58 PM   #21
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

It was actually just one of these.

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Old 04-13-12, 03:01 PM   #22
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

They are getting WORSE at missle building. But what really shocks me is that they admitted it failed internally. In the hermit kingdom, that might be the most baffling and shocking news report any of the citizens have ever seen.

Some commentators are speculating that Un will use this public failure to garner support to push his opposition out, or scarier, blame South Korea in a sabatoge plot.
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Old 04-13-12, 03:14 PM   #23
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Re: North Korea has launched a long range rocket!

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I can't believe some of the comments on that news story.

"8.Raj Blake
13 Hours ago
Amazing how the propaganda machine has churned over this story. Any country that doesn't fall into the West's view of things is subject to it's spin doctor's wrath. America with-holds food aid from a million people in North Korea, and the media here doesn't bat an eyelid.

Treat other country's with respect, and accept that they have the right to their own way of life."


"562.Drunken Hobo
2 Hours ago
Many are saying that it was a waste of money that could have been used to help reduce poverty in the country, but that's not how it works. This rocket launch will have created thousands of jobs in North Korea and will help the country progress into the space age. Satellites are a huge part of the Western economy, so this can only help North Korea. Well, if they can get the next one right it will."

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Can we not try to get closer to N Korea and show them a route to a more open society Surly by including them in as many org is the adult thing to do Be inclusive and open allows openness in both directions The rhetoric used by the USA and others is appalling effectively saying Do it our way or else So last Century Other countries need to speak openly against USA militaristic views and actions"

In the comments section of The Economist, there are posters who always praise the actions of the Chinese government. It's almost as if they were employed by the Ministry of Truth. Maybe North Korea is following their example.
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Old 04-13-12, 03:58 PM   #24
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That first comment is silly. It's basically "leave them alone and respect their way of life" but it also chastises the US for not giving them aid.
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Old 04-13-12, 04:05 PM   #25
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or scarier, blame South Korea in a sabatoge plot.
I was thinking about that too. Apparently, there were some foreign journalists in NK for the "launch". Wouldn't have been too hard to accuse one of them of sabotage and make their lives very miserable.
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