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Old 04-12-12, 08:06 AM   #1
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Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

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Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

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Consider this Reason No. 41 that Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) won’t be the GOP’s vice presidential nominee:

At an event late Tuesday — shortly after The Fix wrote about how West is too much of a bomb-thrower to be the GOP’s vice presidential nominee — the freshman congressman suggested that as many as 81 Democrats in Congress are not only secret Communists, but actual members of the Communist Party.



When a questioner asked West about Marxists in “the American legislature,” some in the crowd jeered, but West took a different approach.

“No, it’s a good question,” he said, adding: “I believe there is about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party.”

After a long pause, West adds that he is talking about the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a group of 76 of the more liberal Democrats in the U.S. House.

West’s comment clearly states that these members of Congress are also actual members of the Communist Party, though. There is no evidence to support that.

West campaign manager Tim Edson pointed out that some Democratic members of Congress have traveled to Communist Cuba in recent years. (So have Republicans.)

He also noted that certain Democratic members have also praised Cuban President Fidel Castro. (For the record, Illinois Rep. Bobby Rush and former California congresswoman Diane Watson, both members of the Progressive Caucus, have both praised Castro.)

“He stands by the comments,” Edson said. “Call them what you want; they’re clearly people who oppose capitalism and free markets and individual economic freedom. So, if the shot fits.”

Pressed on whether those members are actual Communists, Edson said the label isn’t the point.

“We can quibble about the terminology used to describe them, but it’s clear,” he said. “Whatever you call people that oppose capitalism and free markets and individual economic freedom — maybe it’s ‘socialist,’ maybe it’s ’Communist’ — but that’s the point the congressman was making, and he stands by the words.”

Members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus said West is trying to turn back the clock to the days of Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-Wis.) and the so-called “Red Scare.”

“Allen West is denigrating the millions of Americans who voted to elect Congressional Progressive Caucus members, and he is ignoring the oath they took to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution — just like he did,” said CPC co-chairmen Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) and Keith Ellison (D-Minn.). “Calling fellow Members of Congress ‘Communists’ is reminiscent of the days when Joe McCarthy divided Americans with name-calling and modern-day witch hunts that don’t advance policies to benefit people’s lives.”

Another CPC member, Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), pointed to a more recent member of Congress who accused his colleagues of being Communists: former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.), who is now in federal prison after a corruption conviction.

“Mr. West is in really very extraordinary company here,” DeFazio said. ”He should get in touch with Duke in prison, and they can chat about this conspiracy that's going on.”
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Old 04-12-12, 09:38 AM   #2
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

I'm sure many are, ideologically. He shouldn't have implied that they are card-carrying members of the Party, what with all the history behind THAT, but, allowing for hyperbole, he's probably right.

What's with the Cunningham comparison? So one guy calls someone a Commie and ends up in prison for corruption, so that means this other guy who called someone a Commie is corrupt? The biggest asshole in the thing seems to be DeFazio.
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Old 04-12-12, 11:56 AM   #3
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

Wow. He must just be basing that on their actions rather than what they say. Obviously he doesn't know how you judge people in DC.
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Old 04-12-12, 12:01 PM   #4
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No socialists. Noi democratic socialists. But members of the Communist Party. 80 members of Congress endorse Stalin and Lenin? Yep, an asshole.

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Old 04-12-12, 12:19 PM   #5
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No socialists. Noi democratic socialists. But members of the Communist Party. 80 members of Congress endorse Stalin and Lenin? Yep, an asshole.

West for VP!
Why did you say that line with an Australian accent?

Anyways, West is way off base. It's no more than 65, max.
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Old 04-12-12, 12:25 PM   #6
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

Well - Communist is a little too strong to label the House Democratic Leadership. Socialist - hmm - maybe a little strong. On the left side of liberal - yeah!
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Old 04-12-12, 12:27 PM   #7
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Which is 1979's center.
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Old 04-12-12, 12:29 PM   #8
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“Allen West is denigrating ...

Clever choice of words, good thing they weren't talking about Obama or we'd have a media circus.
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Old 04-12-12, 12:43 PM   #11
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Old 04-12-12, 12:52 PM   #12
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McCarthy is like Goodwin's Law where every argument eventually swings to Hitler. If you bring up communism and the possibility that someone has communist beliefs then suddenly you're Joe McCarthy, as if a civil discussion about the issue were impossible. Are there communists in Congress? Of course. And there are many communists in this country. They are frankly afraid to use the word communist because it was so stigmatized during the 20th century. I would prefer people who are indeed communist in word and deed simply call themselves communists instead of hiding behind a bunch of euphemisms.
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Old 04-12-12, 12:56 PM   #13
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I think an overwhelming portion of the animosity toward Rep. West is based on the fact that he is a black man.
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Old 04-12-12, 01:03 PM   #14
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I think an overwhelming portion of the animosity toward Rep. West is based on the fact that he is a black man.
Well of course, if blacks felt completely free to be either conservative or liberal to the degree that whites do, without any social pressure or stigmatization, that might very well lead to....to........


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Old 04-12-12, 01:09 PM   #15
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I think that another factor that may keep many blacks from being conservative would be seeing actual conservatives.
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Old 04-12-12, 02:15 PM   #16
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

From another article:

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Libero Della Piana, a vice-chairman of the national Communist Party, told Politico that the West' comments were a "sad ploy."

"I just think it's an absurd way to cast a shadow over his colleagues," Della Piana said. "It's just guilt by association taken to an extreme."
West is just a douche.
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Old 04-12-12, 02:18 PM   #17
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

Somebody from the orgnaization that West claims people belong to says it's disparaging to say those people belong to his organization?

I'd like to see how he encourages new members!
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So we've learned:
  • There actually ARE communists in Congress. Are they secret conspiracy types?
  • It isn't what West said but that he is black.

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I think that another factor that may keep many blacks from being conservative would be seeing actual conservatives.
Probably. With liberal success stories like Detroit and other predominately black cities, I can't imagine they'd ever want to give up what they have.
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Re: Republican Rep. Allen West says many congressional Democrats are Communists

I'm so bored with dipshits whining about "communism" and "socialism" that it needs to be added to Godwin's law alongside "Hitler" and "Nazi."
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Old 04-12-12, 03:58 PM   #21
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Yeah but Obama is just another corporatist President so the socialist thing is a bit disingenuous.
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Old 04-12-12, 04:16 PM   #22
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LIAR!! There are 57 card carrying communists in the government!!
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Probably. With liberal success stories like Detroit and other predominately black cities, I can't imagine they'd ever want to give up what they have.
Yes. The government of Detroit destroyed the auto industry
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Yeah but Obama is just another corporatist President so the socialist thing is a bit disingenuous.
Nobody said he was good at socialism.
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Ozzie Guillen for Congress!
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