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Old 04-30-12, 04:23 PM   #151
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

So, now we've amassed an "air armada" of F-15s and F-22s over there around Iran recently, in addition to what... 3 carrier groups now?

I wonder how far off military action is?
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Old 04-30-12, 05:21 PM   #152
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

It's imminent.
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Old 04-11-13, 01:11 AM   #153
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Old 04-02-15, 08:21 PM   #154
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

A deal has been reached. Here are the details:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...rs04022015.pdf
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Old 04-02-15, 08:34 PM   #155
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A deal has been reached. Here are the details:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...rs04022015.pdf
Time for another strongly worded letter from AIPAC I see.
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Old 04-02-15, 09:05 PM   #156
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

I should clarify -- these are the agreed terms for a deal, but the actual deal still needs to be written up and agreed to by the parties (us, France, Germany, the UK, and Iran) then approved by the UN, then by Congress (and counterparts in France, Germany, the UK, and I guess Iran).
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Old 04-02-15, 10:44 PM   #157
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ex is still a political exile? Come on, just for one "fixed" post?

Anyway, Netanyahu who has won re-election, is against this deal. Attacking Iran was not a realistic option, and sanctions have been there for a while, so what other options were there?
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Old 04-03-15, 06:06 AM   #158
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

John Kerry is back from Geneva. Now there's no way Iran can build a nuke.

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Old 04-03-15, 07:44 AM   #159
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I should clarify -- these are the agreed terms for a deal, but the actual deal still needs to be written up and agreed to by the parties (us, France, Germany, the UK, and Iran) then approved by the UN, then by Congress (and counterparts in France, Germany, the UK, and I guess Iran).
Ahh, so this is why the republicans don't like this deal. it's too complicated to put on a postcard (a la Dick Armey's tax form) or put into a four box flowchart (i.e. the republicans "road to recovery").
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Old 04-03-15, 10:08 AM   #160
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So, now we've amassed an "air armada" of F-15s and F-22s over there around Iran recently, in addition to what... 3 carrier groups now?

I wonder how far off military action is?
How I miss the good old days when Dr Mabuse and classicman2 were locked in a constant war to see who could be more wrong.
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Old 04-03-15, 10:38 AM   #161
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John Kerry is back from Geneva. Now there's no way Iran can build a nuke.

The whole thing looks like the Munich Agreement all over again to me. I'm not sure how anyone in any party could like the framework of something like this that is based on Iran's compliance.. when they've never shown compliance in the past.
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Old 04-03-15, 10:44 AM   #162
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ex is still a political exile? Come on, just for one "fixed" post?
Not really. Mods forgot to change my "title".

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Anyway, Netanyahu who has won re-election, is against this deal.
Here's an appropriate quote:

"The world has put Netanyahu on ignore."
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Old 04-03-15, 10:48 AM   #163
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The whole thing looks like the Munich Agreement all over again to me. I'm not sure how anyone in any party could like the framework of something like this that is based on Iran's compliance.. when they've never shown compliance in the past.
What have they not complied with? They've been "six months away" from a nuke for thirty plus years.
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Old 04-03-15, 11:06 AM   #164
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What have they not complied with? They've been "six months away" from a nuke for thirty plus years.
They are the world's best procrastinators. We could finish the bomb, no, let's hang some gays instead.
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Old 04-03-15, 11:07 AM   #165
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How did Iran violate the NPT? Some merely call it "cheating." Did they enrich more uranium than they were allowed to under NPT?
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Old 04-03-15, 11:36 AM   #166
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Finally, we'll get those pesky sanctions lifted so that this regime will be on much more solid fiscal ground.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...uality-charges
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Old 04-03-15, 11:52 AM   #167
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Strawman, this isn't about Human Rights.
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Old 04-03-15, 11:58 AM   #168
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Strawman, this isn't about Human Rights.
It sure isn't. And don't call me "Strawman."
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Old 04-03-15, 12:12 PM   #169
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How did Iran violate the NPT? Some merely call it "cheating." Did they enrich more uranium than they were allowed to under NPT?
The "Additional Protocol" is not a requirement for NPT states.

Countries with significant nuclear activities which have not concluded an Additional Protocol (2012): Argentina, Brazil, Egypt, Iran, Syria, and Venezuela.

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One positive aspect of the agreement is that Iran agreed to sign and ratify the additional protocol of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which allows the UN to conduct surprise inspections at any facility suspected of housing nuclear activity. The significance is that it will be very difficult for Iran to develop a nuclear program in secret, and if it tries to do so, it will likely be uncovered. Attempts to limit or obstruct inspectors would constitute a gross violation of the agreement, which could lead to reinstatement of the international sanctions.
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Old 04-03-15, 02:17 PM   #170
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

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ex is still a political exile? Come on, just for one "fixed" post?

Anyway, Netanyahu who has won re-election, is against this deal. Attacking Iran was not a realistic option, and sanctions have been there for a while, so what other options were there?
I just don't prefer the Obama Administration to do this deal. If it was Clinton I'd be more accepting. But you're right why not do it when everything else hasn't worked.
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Old 04-03-15, 09:06 PM   #171
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Re: Attack on Iran nuclear facilities "imminent"?

Here are two quotes that the Republican legislators who are trying to sabotage the negotiations with Iran should read. Unfortunately, they would probably ignore the first quote because they are hypocrites, and they probably wouldn't understand the second quote because they lack historical perspective, empathy, and even basic knowledge of human psychology.

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Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.
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The chief lesson I have learned in a long life is that the only way you can make a man trustworthy is to trust him; and the surest way to make him untrustworthy is to distrust him and show your distrust...

My idea of an approach to the Soviets would be a direct proposal after discussion with the British that we would be prepared in effect to enter an arrangement with the Russians, the general purpose of which would be to control and limit the use of the atomic bomb as an instrument of war and so far as possible to direct and encourage the development of atomic power for peaceful and humanitarian purposes...
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Old 04-04-15, 10:46 AM   #172
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Here are two quotes that the Republican legislators who are trying to sabotage the negotiations with Iran should read. Unfortunately, they would probably ignore the first quote because they are hypocrites, and they probably wouldn't understand the second quote because they lack historical perspective, empathy, and even basic knowledge of human psychology.
Can you find one creditable historian who doesn't think Stimson was mindbogglingly naive in that suggestion?
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Old 04-04-15, 11:07 AM   #173
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Can you find one creditable historian who doesn't think Stimson was mindbogglingly naive in that suggestion?
What, you have a problem with uncle joe? He was a wonderful guy and a benevolent leader. It was those damn kulaks and counter-revolutionaries that are trying to give him a bad rep. Unlike hitler, all the people he had killed deserved it.
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Old 04-04-15, 05:22 PM   #174
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ex is still a political exile? Come on, just for one "fixed" post?
eX is reset to normal. Sorry old chap.

As far as this agreement, I don't have a lot of faith in it, but the alternative of war was not a rosy option either. I don't think the sanctions would have held that much longer either. Some of our partners in the sanctions would have caved. It's just a shitty situation any way you slice it.
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Here are two quotes that the Republican legislators who are trying to sabotage the negotiations with Iran should read. Unfortunately, they would probably ignore the first quote because they are hypocrites, and they probably wouldn't understand the second quote because they lack historical perspective, empathy, and even basic knowledge of human psychology.
Oh yeah, that would have worked out.
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