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Old 07-07-11, 03:47 PM   #1
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Oak Park Woman faces 93 days in jail for a vegetable garden

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Their front yard was torn up after replacing a sewer line, so instead of replacing the dirt with grass, one Oak Park woman put in a vegetable garden and now the city is seeing green.

The list goes on: fresh basil, cabbage, carrots, tomatoes, cumbers and more all filling five large planter boxes that fill the Bass family’s front yard.

Julie Bass says, “We thought we’re minding our own business, doing something not ostentatious and certainly not obnoxious or nothing that is a blight on the neighborhood, so we didn’t think people would care very much.”

But some cared very much and called the city. The city then sent out code enforcement.

“They warned us at first that we had to move the vegetables from the front, that no vegetables were allowed in the front yard. We didn’t move them because we didn’t think we were doing anything wrong, even according to city code we didn’t think we were doing anything wrong. So they ticketed us and charged me with a misdemeanor,” Bass said . . .

City code says that all unpaved portions of the site shall be planted with grass or ground cover or shrubbery or other suitable live plant material. Tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers are what Basses see as suitable.

However, Oak Park’s Planning and Technology Director Kevin Rulkowski says the city disagrees. He says, “If you look at the dictionary, suitable means common. You can look all throughout the city and you’ll never find another vegetable garden that consumes the entire front yard.”
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our attorney spoke to the prosecutor today. (for the record, my crush on him is totally finished after today.)

his position: they are going to take this all the way.

officially, this means i am facing 93 days in jail if they win.
I hope the person who called the cops gets cancer. If you want to live in a neighborhood free of visible vegetable gardens, move into a neighborhood with a HOA with batshit crazy rules.

I can't believe that in the "land of the free," an American citizen should ever face JAIL TIME for growing a goddamned vegetable garden.
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Old 07-07-11, 03:52 PM   #2
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Re: Oak Park Woman faces 93 days in jail for a vegetable garden

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"If you look at the dictionary, suitable means common."
Hmmm. I wonder what dictionary he's looking at. I'm not even sure you'd see 'common' if you looked up suitable in a thesaurus.
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Old 07-07-11, 03:52 PM   #3
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You can have my Marglobe and Black Krim tomatoes when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers.
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Old 07-07-11, 03:53 PM   #4
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I need pics to determine guilt...
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Old 07-07-11, 03:59 PM   #5
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Old 07-07-11, 04:09 PM   #6
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Old 07-07-11, 04:09 PM   #7
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Re: Oak Park Woman faces 93 days in jail for a vegetable garden

Actually, the code doesn't mention it having to be common (suitable) to the rest of the city. It only has to be common (suitable). If they could argue that they have never heard of tomatoes, peppers or cucumbers, maybe they could argue that they are uncommon (not suitable). But I think those plants are common enough that everyone has heard of them.

At least, that is how I'd approach it if I were their lawyer.
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Old 07-07-11, 04:44 PM   #8
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Old 07-07-11, 04:58 PM   #9
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One might even say, uncommonly so.
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Old 07-07-11, 05:07 PM   #10
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Where were these front yard garden code violaters when I was growing up?
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Old 07-07-11, 05:11 PM   #11
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Fucking hippies. Eat a steak already.
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Old 07-07-11, 05:12 PM   #12
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Old 07-07-11, 06:15 PM   #13
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Her garden needs one of these

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Old 07-07-11, 07:05 PM   #14
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Damn, that looks almost like my garden. And yes Black Krim FTW.
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Old 07-08-11, 08:20 AM   #15
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That is what I was thinking. This is really the thing you complain to the city about?
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Old 07-08-11, 08:36 AM   #16
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Men fight for freedom, then they begin to accumulate laws to take it away from themselves.
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Old 07-08-11, 08:45 AM   #17
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Garden looks great. Replace the vegetables with plants and flowers and no one would ever say anything.

As long as the garden looks like that, no problem. Unfortunately, tomato plants get huge, those beds will fill with weeds, and it will most likely look hideous. But, there is no law against being a slack-jawed yokel so leave the people alone. Perhaps they have room for a couch out there too?
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Garden looks great. Replace the vegetables with plants and flowers and no one would ever say anything.

As long as the garden looks like that, no problem. Unfortunately, tomato plants get huge, those beds will fill with weeds, and it will most likely look hideous. But, there is no law against being a slack-jawed yokel so leave the people alone. Perhaps they have room for a couch out there too?
A person who goes to the trouble to create a garden like that in the first place will be out there weeding at least every other day.
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I have a big garden that looks like that in my back yard. I'm interested in growing vegetables, not weeding. Plus the plants get so big, it becomes nearly impossible. Those plants in that pic look about 2 weeks old or so.
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Old 07-08-11, 09:38 AM   #20
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She should put a flag in it and call it a Victory Garden.
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I have a big garden that looks like that in my back yard. I'm interested in growing vegetables, not weeding. Plus the plants get so big, it becomes nearly impossible. Those plants in that pic look about 2 weeks old or so.
Maybe you don't weed because you don't see it every day as you walk into your house
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That's the basic reason for laws like this. Sure, it looks fine now in its infancy. But what will it look like in September?
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That's the basic reason for laws like this. Sure, it looks fine now in its infancy. But what will it look like in September?
It will look delicious!
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Old 07-15-11, 01:57 PM   #24
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Charges have been dropped!

New charges have been filed for not having proper licenses for her two dogs.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110...-veggie-garden

Coincidentally, the dog license charges ALSO carry a punishment of 93 days in jail.
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Charges have been dropped!

New charges have been filed for not having proper licenses for her two dogs.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110...-veggie-garden

Coincidentally, the dog license charges ALSO carry a punishment of 93 days in jail.
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