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Old 06-15-12, 11:10 AM   #76
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Re: The One and Only Great Moments in State Government thread

I always knew Michigan was a weird state, but this really pushes the envelope.

Michigan State Rep Barred From Speaking After 'Vagina' Comments
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I always knew Michigan was a weird state, but this really pushes the envelope.

Michigan State Rep Barred From Speaking After 'Vagina' Comments
Yeah, saw that yesterday. They are both a little wrong here.

1. Yes, "vagina" is indeed the clinical term, but she was hardly speaking clinically. She was making a snarky comment about her own genitalia. So to say that her comments violated some sort of decorum rule may not be that far-fetched, depending on how that rule has been previously applied.

2. On the other hand, comments like this:

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"'What she said was offensive," said Rep. Mike Callton, R-Nashville. 'It was so offensive, I don't even want to say it in front of women. I would not say that in mixed company.'"
are just completely inane. Also, preventing her from speaking again on an entirely unrelated bill is just silly.
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Yeah, saw that yesterday. They are both a little wrong here.

1. Yes, "vagina" is indeed the clinical term, but she was hardly speaking clinically. She was making a snarky comment about her own genitalia. So to say that her comments violated some sort of decorum rule may not be that far-fetched, depending on how that rule has been previously applied.
When the law under discussion affects her genitalia, why shouldn't she mention it? "Decorum" in such a case is just an excuse to silence her argument.
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1. Yes, "vagina" is indeed the clinical term, but she was hardly speaking clinically.

No, she's wrong. She can do what ever she wants with her vagina, it's what she does with her uterus that is the issue.
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When the law under discussion affects her genitalia, why shouldn't she mention it? "Decorum" in such a case is just an excuse to silence her argument.
As I said, "depending on how that rule has been previously applied". if you have some special knowledge to this effect, please share it. if I were a betting man, I would wager substantial $$ that you are correct, but I don't know it.
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A letter from the (former) Republican candidate for Iowa's 34th District State Senate seat to her supporters:

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[[[ July 4th, 2012 ]]]
From: The Office of the Senator of the Republic of the United States of America,
And The Republic for Iowa, Senator Randi Shannon

Hello everyone, my name is Randi Shannon, and I have been honored to be Iowa’s Republican Candidate for The Office of State Senator in District 34. The support I have received from so many in this district has been just incredible! I will never forget your commitment to my campaign!

I want to especially thank my fellow Ron Paul for President Supporters, My Fellow Members of Liberty, My Friends who home school as did I, the many Pro-Life Members who have been so supportive of my candidacy over these past few months, and of course all my supporters in the Republican Party who have offered me so much help and encouragement, including many Republican Office holders here in Iowa, I promise you, your efforts on My behalf will be remembered.

Let me now announce to everyone in Iowa, I have become aware of the existence of the Original Republic for The United States of America. “We the People” re-inhabited our lawful de jure (de jur- “by right of lawful establishment”) government on March 30th, 2010. This is The Republic founded in 1787 and then abandoned during The Civil War in the 1860s.

It was then replaced in 1871 by the UNITED STATES CORPORATION. (de facto-without law). This Unlawful Corporate Democracy, established by the forty-first congress, has been acting as though it is the “official government” which clearly it is not! In point of fact, it is the reason why “We the People” Instead of Experiencing Freedom and Prosperity, suffer under the weight of Oppressive Statutes and an Out of Control, Monstrous National Debt which is Robbing Us and All Future Generations of Americans of Our Treasure and Our Legacy for which Our Founding Fathers’ so Valiantly Fought and Died.


And Remember This! Where the de jure Republic of The United States of America exists the de facto UNITED STATES CORPORATION, having no standing, must go away!

Now, knowing this, and with the best interests of The People of Iowa District 34 uppermost in my heart and out of respect for my own conscience, I am here to announce that I am ending my campaign as of this July 4th, 2012. Trust me this story does not end here nor does my commitment. In fact, my level of service to the good people of Iowa who have been so supportive of me and my campaign will be greatly increased. Please allow me to continue, because I have some great news to share with all of you!

I have learned from my participation in campaigns that no matter who we elect, there’s no positive change. The same talking points are used; “lower taxes, education reform, we need to end BIG GOVERNMENT PORK etc”. We cast our votes, and for the most part, we are no better off. Our taxes go up and while we are losing our liberties in the name of security, our country becomes more divided. New executive orders are issued, BIG GOVERNMENT INTRUSION into our private lives is on the rise and the Peoples’ despair grows and deepens. What Hope is there for any solutions from THE UNITED STATES
CORPORATION?

In fact, that which happens is all too often nothing like what’s been promised. I know you feel very disaffected as I’ve heard this from so many of you with whom I’ve visited with these past several months. I want you to know I feel the same! Unfortunately despair is rampant in our country today and with good reason!

Over the past several decades the quality of life for The People of Iowa has been eroding. Our individual earnings have dropped, we have skyrocketing inflation, our public education system is a disaster, and THIS BLOATED GOVERNMENT we cannot afford just keeps on growing.

American Entrepreneurism is all but dead. If the needs of “We the People” were being properly addressed, THE UNITED STATES CORPORATION would have brought about changes that would have led to a vast and growing economy with prosperity for all who want it. Therefore, The American Dream in Iowa and all over this country would be alive and well and Our Succeeding Generations would truly be better off as a result.

Instead, ours is an economically weak nation with the dollar on the very brink of collapse! We now find corruption at virtually every level of government and hardly ever is anyone made to answer for it. Just like Eric Holder, they refuse to answer and often as not they are rewarded. Where’s the law? and Public Accountability?

This Corrupt System is just like an out of control freight train heading at full speed toward the river where the bridge has been washed out by a flood brought on by their own acts in violation of the Public Trust, and their Oaths to The Constitution of Iowa and The Republic of The United States of America.

Remember, THE UNITED STATES CORPORATION was changed from The Republic, and since then, we have seen a plethora of Statutes passed as if they were Law without the consent of “We the People”. With the abandonment of The Republic, and especially following 1871, the abuses of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION heaped upon the American People and the Peoples of the International Community have been inestimable and unconscionable. In this, I cannot and will not have a share!

From the President on down, many of these so-called servants of the The People have repeatedly violated their oaths of Office, their fiduciary responsibilities, and in every way imaginable they’ve committed the most egregious acts against “We the People” of the United States of America and People around the world.

They have continually violated the People’s Trust. Be fooled no longer, that Trust is broken beyond repair!

Therefore, in order to affect the most good on behalf of The People of Iowa’s 34th District and in keeping with my conscience, I have accepted the position of U.S. Senator in The Republic of The United States of America, where I may better serve You and All of The People of Iowa. I want you to know I have taken an Oath to Uphold, Support and Defend The Constitution of The United States of America. This I will do to the best of my ability, So Help Me God.

As Your Senator from Iowa in The Republic of The United States of America I will be especially focused on the following areas:

[First] As someone who home schooled my kids has been Committed to and Achieved Educational Excellence for my own family, I whole heartedly support and will work with my Colleagues in The Republic Congress who plan to eliminate the Department of Education when it transfers to The Republic
from THE BANKRUPT UNITED STATES CORPORATION. Educational Excellence first and foremost is the result of personal commitment; first by parents, and then by the students themselves. We don’t need to spend more on education to achieve better results; just note how the opposite has proven to be true. Point of Fact, Home Schooling, which costs taxpayers nothing, often accomplishes the best result!

However, not everyone can or may want to make this choice for their family and may see advantages to Community, Private, Charter, Internet and/or Televised School systems. If we are truly dedicated in our quest for Educational Excellence, then we need free market competition in the area of education, and we need to leave it to families and their students in Iowa and in Our Republic to make the choices that best serve them and meet their needs. This reflects my commitment to you, and on this I will not waver!

[Second] I am absolutely committed to our men and women in uniform who serve our country, and for them that means “No More Undeclared Wars”! Their Blood is Too Precious to be spilled needlessly in far away countries where there is no threat to Our Republic. The Lives of our service men and women are of Such Exceeding Value as not be lost or even put at risk for the enrichment of those who profit as a result of war and so called Nation Building-Police Actions. As your Senator in The Republic of The United States of America, I will never vote for or in any other way support such actions! I am Bound by My Oath to The Constitution of Republic of The United States of America which places limits upon me, while I serve in office, and I appreciate these limits as lawful and necessary in the performance of my duty to The People of Iowa. I want you to know, I Take My Oath Very Seriously!

[Third] As Your Senator in The Republic of United States of America, Our Unalienable Rights Shall be protected, and First Among These “Life” shall be protected from the “Moment of Conception On”. I refer everyone to “The Republic for Iowa-Life Affirming Proclamation” a copy of which I can provide by email.

This Proclamation has My Endorsement and My Vote!

[Forth] Every concern which The People of Iowa have regarding GOVERNMENTAL ABUSE, such as the high cost and unconstitutionality of Obama-care and current healthcare costs, the invasive, insufferable acts committed by the TSAs at Airports, Taxation at Obscene levels, and the list goes on and on, are all problems brought on by The “de facto” UNITED STATES CORPORATION.

By serving as your Senator in The Republic Congress, I am restrained to voting in line with Our Republic for The United States Constitution, which by the way does not contain the 14th Amendment or any thereafter as these are the product of “The De facto” UNITED STATES CORPORATION, and have no basis in Our Constitution. Therefore, “they are Their Problems” and when you join The Republic of The United States of America, they are no longer your problems! And as your Senator, I Proclaim here today that I am determined that “Their Problems” will never again become your problems in The Republic!

Again, Remember, where the de jure Republic of The United States of America exists the de facto UNITED STATES CORPORATION, having no standing, must go away!

I want you to know how very much I look forward to serving you and all of The People of Iowa as your United States Senator in The Republic of The United States of America, which truly is One Nation, Under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All!

For those of you having difficulty understanding the reasons for my decision, I want to refer you to the websites and .

I thank you so very much for your thoughtful attention! And I look forward to addressing your concerns in Our Republic of The United States Congress!

In Faithful Service to The People of Iowa,
United States Senator, Randi Shannon
_________________________________________
Senator Randi Shannon Serving Iowans
In The Republic of The United States of America
http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...non-letter.pdf

I'm not sure what my favorite part is. The random capitalization, as if to make her weird letter seem just like the Declaration of Independence? The part where she tells us "Please allow me to continue," as if I'm going to interrupt a written letter? The shout-out to Ron Paul? The fact that she can't spell "Fourth" correctly?

No, it's probably the fact that after she decides we've been operating under a fake government for the past 160 years, her solution is to unilaterally appoint herself as the Senator from Iowa in the "real" government. Hey, crazy lady -- if you're correct, isn't it the job of the Iowa State Senate to decide who gets to be the Senator Serving Iowans In The Republic of The United States of America?
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Old 07-15-12, 01:26 PM   #82
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Wow, bring on the butterfly nets.



That's amazing. A complete and total disconnect from reality. I wonder who else (besides RON PAUL) is in this "real" government? I hope she actually goes to Washington DC (by walking, just to prove her point) and tries to act like a senator.
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A letter from the (former) Republican candidate for Iowa's 34th District State Senate seat to her supporters:



http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...non-letter.pdf

I'm not sure what my favorite part is. The random capitalization, as if to make her weird letter seem just like the Declaration of Independence? The part where she tells us "Please allow me to continue," as if I'm going to interrupt a written letter? The shout-out to Ron Paul? The fact that she can't spell "Fourth" correctly?

No, it's probably the fact that after she decides we've been operating under a fake government for the past 160 years, her solution is to unilaterally appoint herself as the Senator from Iowa in the "real" government. Hey, crazy lady -- if you're correct, isn't it the job of the Iowa State Senate to decide who gets to be the Senator Serving Iowans In The Republic of The United States of America?
She's basically adopted hallmarks of the Sovereign Citizen movement... very nutso.
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I have to say, The United States Corporation is not very good at making profits.
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California built the expected revenue from Facebook's IPO into its budget.

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Facebook Stock Crash Hoses California's Tax Revenue

Well, the hits from the Facebook stock implosion keep coming.

Now, it's the State of California, which apparently overestimated how much tax revenue it was going to collect from Facebook employees after the IPO.

According to Bloomberg's John Erlichman, California is now saying its "tax revenue is at risk" because it assumed it would get $1.9 billion from newly enriched Facebook employees.

But now those Facebook employees are only going to get about half as rich as they would have if the stock were still trading at the IPO price.

And that means that California--and the Federal government--are likely to collect only about half as much Facebook-related tax revenue as they thought.

http://www.businessinsider.com/faceb...#ixzz22QLVtAvz
The state also built in a long shot at a tax increase being approved by the voters.
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Old 08-03-12, 11:19 AM   #87
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California built the expected revenue from Facebook's IPO into its budget.

The state also built in a long shot at a tax increase being approved by the voters.
The state spokespeople are saying it doesn't matter what the stock is doing now, it matters in November (when the employees can officially sell off their stock), but they're kidding themselves if they're counting on the stock to go back up to their $35 projection by then. And hey, even if it does it's a one time thing, what trick were they planning to use next year? Oh, the economy will be better by then?

Of course, they'll use this to push the tax initiative even harder.

Also in CA news, the Parks and Rec dept. had a hidden stash that amounted to 54 million dollars for the past 12 years. This is after they've threatened to close down parks due to the budget mess, and have over the years tried to add additional taxes to help fund the parks:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S...294.php#page-2
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This is the second story in the last couple of months regarding California vehicle registration funds being misused. There was a story in June about the 9/11 memorial fund being raided for years to pay for the general budget even as the DMV advertised it as helping the children of Californians who died on 9/11, something it hadn't funded in seven years.
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Also in CA news, the Parks and Rec dept. had a hidden stash that amounted to 54 million dollars for the past 12 years. This is after they've threatened to close down parks due to the budget mess, and have over the years tried to add additional taxes to help fund the parks:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S...294.php#page-2


That would explain this cartoon...
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That's maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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That's maybe the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
You get used to this kind of crap when you live here. The "balanced" budget the legislature is required to produce never is.
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You get used to this kind of crap when you live here. The "balanced" budget the legislature is required to produce never is.
I've only been to California once, and I really liked it - the weather is ridiculous and the people were generally nice. But I can't imagine living there even if I made a million dollars a year. The state government is one reason.
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You get used to this kind of crap when you live here. The "balanced" budget the legislature is required to produce never is.
Two years ago there was a measure on the ballot that passed, Prop 25:
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.ph...get_%282010%29

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Proposition 25 ends the previous requirement in the state that two-thirds of the members of the California State Legislature had to vote in favor of the state's budget in order for the budget to be enacted. Proposition 25 also requires state legislators to forfeit their pay in years where they have failed to pass a budget in a timely fashion.
The meat of the measure was to end the 2/3 requirement, allowing the majority Democrats to pass a budget (and, it was argued, raise taxes) without the minority Republicans blocking them. But the advertisements for the bill highlighted the second part, that if they didn't pass a budget in a timely fashion, the legislators would have their pay docked. As the budget is always, always late, I think this swung at least some of the votes, and the measure passed. This will hold them to the promise of a balanced budget, right?

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On June 22, Chiang announced that he was following through with his promise. Legislators did pass a budget, but according to Chiang, the budget they passed had a $1.85 billion deficit, and was therefore not a legal budget under the state's requirement that its budget must be balanced. Therefore, Chiang said, there is functionally no budget and by the terms of Proposition 25, he is required to stop paying the state's legislators. The impact to individual members of the California State Legislature will be about $400/day. In Chiang's statement, he said that parts of the budget the legislature did pass were "miscalculated, miscounted or unfinished."[4]

Mike Gatto, a member of the California State Assembly, was one of several state legislators angered by Chiang's action. Gatto said, "John Chiang just wants to sit there and beat up on the unpopular kids. I now have to explain to my wife and daughter that we won't be able to pay the bills because a politician chose to grandstand at our expense."[4]
So even with including this Facebook IPO and assuming money from the tax initiative, the budget still wasn't balanced. The state controller said that this violated the intent of Prop 25 and withheld pay. This went to court, and the controller was overturned, with the judge saying that he was overstepping his bounds.

So basically the legislators can slap anything together, balanced or not, with all kinds of crazy assumptions, put it on a piece of paper and submit it to the governor, and it counts as passing a budget.
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This is the second story in the last couple of months regarding California vehicle registration funds being misused. There was a story in June about the 9/11 memorial fund being raided for years to pay for the general budget even as the DMV advertised it as helping the children of Californians who died on 9/11, something it hadn't funded in seven years.
Just to clarify the misuse/hording of vehicle registration fees in this case is not the DMV's fault. The parks department collects fees for off road vehicle registration and THAT'S the money that was misappropriated.

It's pathetic really. As the article points out:
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The cash cow at the Parks Department consists of two funds: $20.4 million from the state Parks and Recreation Fund, collected mainly from gate fees and rentals; and $33.5 million from the Off Highway Vehicle Fund, mainly from off-highway vehicle registration fees.
Those are basically the only two places that the parks department collects money directly from the public and in both cases they were hording the money. In a way it's even more shameful than stealing tax dollars. They were pocketing every dime the public gave them during face to face interaction with park employees. The actually users and visitors of the parks were individually robbed by the department in charge.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply the DMV was misusing the funds, although they may be the ones who handle OHV registrations and then pass on the money to Parks.

I was looking over the Cali DMV site and man does it have some crazy rules. Like, you have to pay a registration fee for vehicles you don't plan to use that year and you need to either fully register or obtain a one day permit to tow non-operational vehicles. The site also says that if you buy a car that isn't currently registered you may owe all fees and penalties unless the previous owner registered it as a non-op vehicle.
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Two separate Arkansas State politicians have written books (insert obvious punchline here):

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Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has written a new book in which he says slavery was "a blessing" for African-Americans, among other questionable statements.

Hubbard, a first term Republican from Jonesboro, Ark., makes a series of racially charged statements in the self-published book, including saying that integration of schools is hurting white students, that African slaves had better lives under slavery than in Africa, that blacks are not contributing to society, and that a situation is developing the United States which is similar to that of Nazi Germany.

The questionable statements in Hubbard's book, "Letters to the Editor: Confessions of a Frustrated Conservative," were first reported by Arkansas Times and TalkBusiness.net.

Regarding slavery, Hubbard wrote:

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“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise. The blacks who could endure those conditions and circumstances would someday be rewarded with citizenship in the greatest nation ever established upon the face of the Earth.” (Pages 183-89)
On the subject of school integration, Hubbard described black students as having a "a lack of discipline and ambition," which he said has hurt the entire educational system.

Hubbard also tackled immigration and said that Christians in America are in a similar position to that of Germans during Hitler's rise to power.

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... the immigration issue, both legal and illegal ... will lead to planned wars or extermination. Although now this seems to be barbaric and uncivilized, it will at some point become as necessary as eating and breathing." (Page 9)
Hubbard declined to comment on the book when contacted by The Huffington Post, saying that he did not have time.

An Air Force veteran, Hubbard sells insurance in Arkansas and Missouri. He serves on several legislative committees, including ones dealing with issues related to aging, insurance, telecommunications, and waterways and aeronautics policy.

On his campaign website, Hubbard says he will defend Christianity as a state lawmaker.

"And perhaps the most important pledge I can make to the people of District 58, the citizens of Arkansas, and to myself, is to do whatever I can to defend, protect, and preserve our Christian heritage," Hubbard says on his website. "Regardless of one’s religious beliefs, if we as a nation continue to turn away from those Christian principles and values upon which this great nation was founded, we will have truly lost everything worth saving!"

Hubbard has a history of taking conservative stances in the legislature. In June, he called for the University of Arkansas to be audited to see if tax money had been spent on a panel discussion about undocumented immigrants. In February, he asked the state Department of Health to implement a policy that would require birth certificates be produced by anyone seeking non-emergency medical care in a hospital in order to prove their citizenship.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1943661.html

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Charlie Fuqua, Arkansas Legislative Candidate, Endorses Death Penalty For Rebellious Children In Book

Charlie Fuqua, the Republican candidate for the Arkansas House of Representatives who called for expelling Muslims from the United States in his book, also wrote in support for instituting the death penalty for "rebellious children."

In "God's Law," Fuqua's 2012 book, the candidate wrote that while parents love their children, a process could be set up to allow for the institution of the death penalty for "rebellious children," according to the Arkansas Times. Fuqua, who is anti-abortion, points out that the course of action involved in sentencing a child to death is described in the Bible and would involve judicial approval. While it is unlikely that many parents would seek to have their children killed by the government, Fuqua wrote, such power would serve as a way to stop rebellious children.

According to the Arkansas Times, Fuqua wrote:

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The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:

This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children. I cannot think of one instance in the Scripture where parents had their child put to death. Why is this so? Other than the love Christ has for us, there is no greater love then [sic] that of a parent for their child. The last people who would want to see a child put to death would be the parents of the child. Even so, the Scrpture provides a safe guard to protect children from parents who would wrongly exercise the death penalty against them. Parents are required to bring their children to the gate of the city. The gate of the city was the place where the elders of the city met and made judicial pronouncements. In other words, the parents were required to take their children to a court of law and lay out their case before the proper judicial authority, and let the judicial authority determine if the child should be put to death. I know of many cases of rebellious children, however, I cannot think of one case where I believe that a parent had given up on their child to the point that they would have taken their child to a court of law and asked the court to rule that the child be put to death. Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.
In the same book, Fuqua advocated for expelling Muslims from the U.S., saying it would solve what he described as the "Muslim problem." Fuqua, who has been backed by the state GOP and is seeking a comeback, has found himself under attack by Republicans since his comments surfaced at the same time it was reported that state Rep. Jon Hubbard (R-Jonesboro) endorsed slavery in his book. Fuqua told the Associated Press that he was surprised by the reaction to his writings on Muslims.

"I think my views are fairly well-accepted by most people," Fuqua said to AP.

Fuqua declined to answer questions from The Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1948490.html
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Wow, that is scary. Death penalty for what? Refusing to go to Sunday school? Not washing the dishes? Engaging in pre-martial sex?
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I bet his brother Antoine disapproves.
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This particular insanity is part of a movement called "Dominionism" or "Christian Reconstruction."
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Two separate Arkansas State politicians have written books (insert obvious punchline here):



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Article says it is a new book. Amazon says it was published in March 25, 2009. Hmm...
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