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Old 04-12-11, 09:37 AM   #1
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Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

Ever since the nuclear disaster in Japan occured a month ago, the media has reassured us that it is impossible for this disaster to ever reach the level of Chernobyl because of better containment structures.

Now today, I read that Japan has raised the severity level to 7 which matches Chernobyl. Even worse, they said it could eventually release out more radiation than Chernobyl! This makes me a little uneasy after the local media reported that trace amounts of this shit are showing up in our milk right here in Arkansas.

Just feels like we are not getting the true story here. How bad is this disaster and could Americans be in danger? Funny, a year ago, it was the same deal with the major oil spill. The media kept changing their story about the severity of the spill.
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Old 04-12-11, 09:41 AM   #2
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re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

You're making it sound like "the media" has had all the facts since the beginning.
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Old 04-12-11, 09:48 AM   #3
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re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

Weren't people complaining that the media was being too hysterical about the whole thing?
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Old 04-12-11, 09:56 AM   #4
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re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

I agree that it's disconcerting how the nuclear disaster is continually downplayed by officials, as the evacuation zone continues to grow (to avoid long-term exposure). It does make we wonder if we are to believe the level of safety we are being presented with.

I would hope that oversight from 3rd party organizations and the media all help us to better assess the risks. But as was mentioned, everyone is working with imperfect information.

It seems like every few days we're told that this is worse than previously expected. So how much worse will it get, and are we being fed a line that is far more tame that what is actually known, in the interest of minimizing fear and damage to economies, etc?

I don't suspect a massive media cover-up, but perhaps collaboration between governments and business from whom the media gets their information.
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Old 04-12-11, 09:59 AM   #5
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re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

Just assume that the apocalypse has come. Then you'll never be surprised.

Speaking as one in Japan (Though far, far from Fukushima, thank god), the Japanese media is not going to tell the truth about this until its too late. They're lying to their own citizens up here. Telling the truth will do nothing but make them look bad, so they won't do it until they have to. The fact that they were basically forced to admit that this is as bad as Chernobyl (with vague indications that it may, in fact, get worse) should give you pause.
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Old 04-12-11, 10:02 AM   #6
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re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

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You're making it sound like "the media" has had all the facts since the beginning.
Well it comes across as fact to me when an expert shows up on CNN or FOX declaring that there is no way this disaster could ever be as bad as Chernobyl. How can they make such an absolute claim when now the story keeps changing?
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Old 04-12-11, 10:11 AM   #7
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Well it comes across as fact to me when an expert shows up on CNN or FOX declaring that there is no way this disaster could ever be as bad as Chernobyl. How can they make such an absolute claim when now the story keeps changing?

Again, everyone in the other thread was complaining about how the media was sensationalizing this story.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:12 AM   #8
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

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Again, everyone in the other thread was complaining about how the media was sensationalizing this story.
Guess I didn't see those comments. It's seems like a sensational crisis from the beginning to me and couldn't really be overblown by the media. The consequences are far-reaching, both with regard to radiation and the future of nuclear energy.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:15 AM   #9
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I agree that it's disconcerting how the nuclear disaster is continually downplayed by officials, as the evacuation zone continues to grow (to avoid long-term exposure). It does make we wonder if we are to believe the level of safety we are being presented with.
How about we get an actual news report in here instead of sensationally paraphrasing news reports.

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Japan on Tuesday raised the severity level of its nuclear crisis to put it on par with the 1986 Chernobyl accident, the world's worst nuclear power disaster.

But for all their criticism of how Tokyo Electric Power Co and Japan's government are handling the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, experts agree with them on one point: Fukushima is not another Chernobyl.

"Fukushima has its own unique risks, but comparing it to Chernobyl is going too far. Fukushima is unlikely to have the kind of impact on the health of people in neighbouring countries, the way Chernobyl did," said nuclear specialist Kenji Sumita at Osaka University.

Here are the main points of how the two accidents differ.

ARE THE TWO DESIGNS THE SAME?

Unit 4 at Chernobyl was a water-cooled and graphite-moderated reactor -- a combination that can and did yield a runaway chain reaction. A series of gross errors and misjudgment by operators resulted in an explosion and fire that catapulted radioactivity into the upper atmosphere.

The resulting release of radiation has been compared to 10 times that released by the 1945 U.S. nuclear bomb attack on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.

The boiling water reactors at Fukushima do not have a combustible graphite core. The nuclear fuel in reactors No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 was allowed to melt at least partially, but operators have since succeeded in cooling both the reactors and the spent fuel pools and no chain reaction is happening now.

As long as cooling operations continue and Japan can prepare tanks fast enough to store the contamination overflow, Japan can still hope to buy time to figure out how to bring the reactors to a cold shutdown.

HOW DO THE CONTAINMENT STRUCTURES DIFFER?

Chernobyl had no containment structure and nothing stopped the trajectory of radioactive materials into the air.

Fukushima's reactors are built on granite foundations and are surrounded by steel and concrete structures. The reactor vessels and containment structures, as well as some of the pipes leading from the reactors, are likely to have been damaged by the March 11 tsunami and recurring earthquakes. But with radiation levels now down to a sliver of what they were at the peak, experts say that the structures are still holding.
Fukushima is an antiquated reactor, and it took one of the largest earthquakes in history to wreck it -- yet the radiation released is a tenth of Chernobyl. The lesson here isn't, "Nuclear power is dangerous! Ooga booga!" It's, "Nuclear reactors are incredibly resilient." And remember, Fukushima is thirty year old technology -- if you're concerned about nuclear safety, you should be advocating the replacement of existing reactors with new ones built with even better technology.

Come on, coal power has done more damage to the environment than all the nuclear reactors on Earth -- especially if you include mining -- but it doesn't get as much attention because it's spread evenly over the years instead of coming from isolated disasters.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:25 AM   #10
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

My fear about building a nuclear reactor in the United States is that it would be build by, and staffed with union guys. "Meltdown is imminent!" / "Meh, I'm on my break."
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Old 04-12-11, 11:25 AM   #11
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

Um... yeah. I agree that it's better than coal. I'm a nuclear energy supporter. That says nothing about the disaster and how communication is being handled or what has been affected. We have seen a continual increase in the estimations of the threat and the areas/industries affected. I don't think anyone can honestly say "this is where we are, and there will not be any further revelations about a further spread of radiation or ill health effects."

We aren't maxed out now with regard to estimations and health risks. We are going to find out a lot of things after the fact. People are going to get cancer and die. The question is who and from what sources. I think it's safe to say that those at risk extend beyond what is being stated publicly.

I honestly don't care how it compares to Chernobyl. I care about what is safe and whether people are being given an honest assessment of that.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:31 AM   #12
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

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My fear about building a nuclear reactor in the United States is that it would be build by, and staffed with union guys. "Meltdown is imminent!" / "Meh, I'm on my break."
My fear is that it would be built by corporations more concerned about the next quarterly earnings call than anything else and supervised by regulators under constant attacks and budget cuts.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:33 AM   #13
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

My fear is that if Obama got his hands on nuclear energy he would use it to attack Israel.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:37 AM   #14
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My fear is that it would be built by corporations more concerned about the next quarterly earnings call than anything else and supervised by regulators under constant attacks and budget cuts.
You would take the position that the corporation = C. Montgomery Burns.

Male NRC agent: I'm still not sure how he caused the meltdown. There wasn't any nuclear material in the truck!

Mr. Burns: Oh, very well, it's time for your bribe. Now, you can either have the washer and dryer where the lovely Smithers is standing, or you can trade it all in for what's in this box.

Male NRC agent: The box, the box!

Female NRC agent: Look, Burns, this is a big problem. You can't just throw money at it and make it go away.

[Mayor Quimby appears, wearing a fur coat that still has the $5,000 price tag attached to it.]

Mayor Quimby: Gentlemen, I've decided there will be, uh, no investigation. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go away. [departs]

Male NRC agent: You're in big trouble, Burns. Homer Simpson's job requires college training in nuclear physics. Now you get your man up to speed, or we'll be forced to take legal action.

Mr. Burns: Is that so? Well, I have a feeling you'll be... dropping the charges. [Burns presses a button on his desk. A trapdoor opens a few feet behind the NRC agents, who stare at it in confusion.]

Smithers: The painters moved your desk, sir.

Mr. Burns: Ah, yes.
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

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I agree that it's disconcerting how the nuclear disaster is continually downplayed by officials, as the evacuation zone continues to grow (to avoid long-term exposure). It seems like every few days we're told that this is worse than previously expected. So how much worse will it get, and are we being fed a line that is far more tame that what is actually known, in the interest of minimizing fear and damage to economies, etc?

I don't suspect a massive media cover-up, but perhaps collaboration between governments and business from whom the media gets their information.

It will get much worse and there's always a collaboration of evidence and information between the powers that be. Don't be surprised when it comes out that the radiation has affected us.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:46 AM   #16
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

I heard many "experts" claim that this could never be as bad as Chernobyl for a whole list of reasons.

Which is why when I hear "experts" talk about anything I assume they are probably guessing like everyone else.
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Old 04-12-11, 11:49 AM   #17
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

Lot of valid fears here, but I think that if we could eliminate unions, corporations, Obama, and "experts" from the equation we could make nuclear power safe!
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Old 04-12-11, 11:52 AM   #18
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Lot of valid fears here, but I think that if we could eliminate unions, corporations, Obama, and "experts" from the equation we could make nuclear power safe!
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

I'm gonna tell you about an accident, and I don't wanna hear "act of God"!
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Old 04-12-11, 12:27 PM   #20
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The problem is for whatever reason, they judge these on a 7 point scale, with 7 being the maximum. It's the same as if they made the maximum earthquake a 7.0. Last I read, they still estimate the radiation released as 10% of that at Chernobyl
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You would take the position that the corporation = C. Montgomery Burns.

Male NRC agent: I'm still not sure how he caused the meltdown. There wasn't any nuclear material in the truck!

Mr. Burns: Oh, very well, it's time for your bribe. Now, you can either have the washer and dryer where the lovely Smithers is standing, or you can trade it all in for what's in this box.

Male NRC agent: The box, the box!

Female NRC agent: Look, Burns, this is a big problem. You can't just throw money at it and make it go away.

[Mayor Quimby appears, wearing a fur coat that still has the $5,000 price tag attached to it.]

Mayor Quimby: Gentlemen, I've decided there will be, uh, no investigation. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go away. [departs]

Male NRC agent: You're in big trouble, Burns. Homer Simpson's job requires college training in nuclear physics. Now you get your man up to speed, or we'll be forced to take legal action.

Mr. Burns: Is that so? Well, I have a feeling you'll be... dropping the charges. [Burns presses a button on his desk. A trapdoor opens a few feet behind the NRC agents, who stare at it in confusion.]

Smithers: The painters moved your desk, sir.

Mr. Burns: Ah, yes.
I was just going to post a picture of Mr. Burns and be done with it, but you took it to a whole different level.
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Is there any situation that can't be explained with a Simpsons quote? I think not.
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Lot of valid fears here, but I think that if we could eliminate unions, corporations, Obama, and "experts" from the equation we could make nuclear power safe!
Also earthquakes, farm animals, Chechnya, and pink eye.
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Old 04-12-11, 01:20 PM   #24
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The most dangerous factor involved in this nuclear disaster is the Japanese themselves. Culturally they are resistent to admiting fault. They would rather lie and then kill themselves latter than tell the truth about how bad they fucked up or how fucked up everything is. That's why the US had to literrally threaten them into action and that is why you see this tediously slow admission about the severity of the situation. The slowness is the #1 indicator of just how bad the problem is.
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Re: Huh - Japan Nuclear Disaster Now as Bad as Chernobyl??

It's a scary game playing economic disaster versus public health. I can totally understand playing down the brevity of the situation for economic purposes. However, not telling the world the full story while we (the USA) still import foods from them is somewhat horrifying. Hopefully, the radiation in the foods that we digest from Japan won't be that bad. But it's still scary nonetheless.
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