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Old 08-18-11, 07:14 PM   #126
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Re: One & Only Illegal Immigration Thread: Part IX

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Cannot pass the Dream Act .. just do it anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/19/us/19immig.html
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This is one time where rule by imperial decree makes sense. I wish chief executives, attorneys general, and prosecutors exercised such discretion more often.
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So patchwork immigration policy is okay after all...
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This is one time where rule by imperial decree makes sense. I wish chief executives, attorneys general, and prosecutors exercised such discretion more often.
Except the president is supposed to uphold our laws not encourage people to break it - which is exactly what he is doing.
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Except the president is supposed to uphold our laws not encourage people to break it - which is exactly what he is doing.
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Old 08-19-11, 11:49 AM   #131
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I would think the majority of those brought here when they were younger were brought by parents who immigrated illegally... if the child isn't held responsible because they were forced here, you'd think they'd be able to find the real culprits pretty easily...
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Old 08-19-11, 03:57 PM   #132
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Terrific!

With the California unemployment rating over 12% this will certainly help to keep that number high. In California we like to go all out and be Number One in everything.
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Terrific!

With the California unemployment rating over 12% this will certainly help to keep that number high. In California we like to go all out and be Number One in everything.
Jerry Brown likes to call it "Leading the way".
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Old 08-19-11, 09:36 PM   #134
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An interesting debate/discussion on the Admin's move here: http://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk...ma-immigration

I agree with the guest that says this makes comprehensive immigration reform less likely. The President has demonstrated that once again that it doesn't matter what the law says regarding immigration, it won't be enforced anyway.
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Terrific!

With the California unemployment rating over 12% this will certainly help to keep that number high. In California we like to go all out and be Number One in everything.
As usual, genius move by California. When business are fleeing, we will allow this to go on. Just awesome!
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Old 08-21-11, 01:21 PM   #136
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Terrific!

With the California unemployment rating over 12% this will certainly help to keep that number high. In California we like to go all out and be Number One in everything.
There you go, blaming the system again just like every liberal that loves wallowing in victimhood. Americans just need to learn some personal responsibility and work harder! life got you down? disadvantaged by the system? too bad! work harder! that's what America is all about!

Besides, how is the government going to deal with illegals? the government can't do anything right! they spent a billion dollars on a fence that was never built! are they going to spend even more money to actually build one?

And I don't think you realize part of this is because of the incredibly hostile environment towards business here. If the government just cut taxes again, businesses would totally fire their illegal immigrant labor and hire Americans. Don't you trust businesses? don't you think that they have what's best in mind for Americans? of course they do!
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And I don't think you realize part of this is because of the incredibly hostile environment towards business here. If the government just cut taxes again, businesses would totally fire their illegal immigrant labor and hire Americans. Don't you trust businesses? don't you think that they have what's best in mind for Americans? of course they do!
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Old 08-23-11, 07:29 AM   #138
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At least i'm not a hippie-communist-union-loving-business-hating traitor.

At the rate we're sending back cheap labor, there won't be any rich people left in this country. Greedy minimum wage socialists, go back to the USSR where you belong.
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Old 08-26-11, 11:05 AM   #139
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Jerry Brown likes to call it "Leading the way".
More "leading the way" on the part of CA:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1609474.story
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The key committee clears the most significant obstacle to the bill that would give college students who are illegal immigrants access to public aid. A foe calls the bill 'an outrage.'

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In a major victory for immigrant advocates, a key state Senate committee cleared the most significant obstacle to a bill that would give college students who are illegal immigrants access to public aid for the first time.

The Senate Appropriations Committee approved the final part of a two-bill package known as the California Dream Act, which would allow students who qualify for reduced in-state tuition to apply for an estimated $40 million in Cal Grants, community college fee waivers, and other public scholarship and grant programs.


For Javiera Infante, a 24-year-old Los Angeles Valley College student from Chile, the committee action brought her dreams of becoming a Spanish-literature professor closer to reality. Infante, who entered the United States legally with her family at age 12 but overstayed her visa, said her mother works as a day-care assistant but that money is so tight her family often has to choose between buying food and paying for schooling.

"This will be a huge burden off my back and take away the anxiety I have every semester trying to figure out how I'm going to pay my tuition and books," Infante said.

The bill's author, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), said he expected the bill to pass the Senate and Assembly next week and land on the governor's desk soon after.

Versions of the bill have passed the Democratic-controlled Legislature since 2006 but were vetoed by then-Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. On Thursday, the committee's vote was split 6 to 3 along party lines.

Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown has pledged support for the bill's concept, saying in a Fresno campaign event last year that he would have signed the bill Schwarzenegger vetoed. Last month he signed a companion bill, AB 130, that gave undocumented students access to $88 million in private scholarships and grants for the first time.

Cedillo said he had worked closely with Brown to address the governor's concerns about the measure's costs given the state's economic distress. To reduce costs, Cedillo pushed back the program's start by six months and removed a provision that would have expanded the pool of eligible students to graduates of adult and technical schools.

As passed, the bill limits the program to high school graduates who attended California high schools for at least three years.

"The governor has articulated his commitment to the ideas and values in the Dream Act, and we have done everything that's been asked to put a bill in front of the governor he can sign," Cedillo said.

Opponents say the state can ill afford new benefits for anyone, let alone illegal immigrants. Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform called the bill "an outrage" to Californians.

But proponents include immigrant rights activists, faith-based organizations and both labor and business groups. Gary Toebben, president of the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce, said it was vital for the state's economic future that immigrant students be equipped with education and skills to replace the millions of baby boomers who are set to retire in the next decade.

"In order for us to compete, we have to make sure we make every effort to provide the young people of our society as good of an education as we can," he said.

Those young people include Sofia Campos, a 21-year-old UCLA student, and her two siblings: one studying computer science at UC San Diego and the other who plans to study marine biology at UC Santa Barbara. The Campos family came to Los Angeles legally from Peru in 1996 but overstayed their visa; Sofia said her father, a software entrepreneur, lost his business amid the political and economic turmoil of the time.

Their father stressed the value of education, pushing Sofia to achieve a 4.2 grade-point average at Eagle Rock High School and win acceptance to UCLA — where she commutes by bus, four hours a day.

"The most important thing is that this bill will give students in high school and middle school the confidence and comfort to pursue higher education," she said. "I'm really excited that it will finally pass after all the work we've done."

The Senate committee's action comes just days after the Obama administration announced it would review 300,000 cases of undocumented students, workers and others facing deportation and put on hold those considered "low-priority" — most likely, nonviolent cases.

And earlier this year, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld California's policy of extending reduced in-state tuition to undocumented students.


The favorable developments have heartened immigrant activists, who have become increasingly distraught over the harsh state and local laws aimed at illegal immigrants and the lack of progress in pushing forward a comprehensive overhaul of the federal immigration system.

It is not known how many undocumented students will be eligible to apply for the aid. About 41,000 students — undocumented immigrants and out-of-state residents who attended California high schools — in the UC, Cal State and community college systems receive reduced in-state tuition, less than 1% of total enrollment.

But a Senate fiscal analysis estimated the bill's annual costs at $13 million for Cal Grants, which award up to $12,192 annually, up to $15 million for community college fee waivers and up to $12 million in institutional aid for UC and CSU
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So in-state tuition, private grants, and now public grants. Interesting that both examples they used overstayed their visas. I'm still not clear how this is going to work... is there a separate pool for illegal immigrants, or are they drawing from the same pool? Since they list added costs, and I assume that with all the competition around for Cal grants and the like that there aren't just grants that are not being used, that this is somehow a separate pool, which makes even less sense.
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More "leading the way" on the part of CA:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1609474.story


So in-state tuition, private grants, and now public grants. Interesting that both examples they used overstayed their visas. I'm still not clear how this is going to work... is there a separate pool for illegal immigrants, or are they drawing from the same pool? Since they list added costs, and I assume that with all the competition around for Cal grants and the like that there aren't just grants that are not being used, that this is somehow a separate pool, which makes even less sense.
I agree, this is a terrible move. I mean, if you're a prospective student, and you're already dumber than a Mexican, life's gotta be tough enough as it is, so you need all the help you can get.
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Old 08-26-11, 06:42 PM   #141
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I agree, this is a terrible move. I mean, if you're a prospective student, and you're already dumber than a Mexican, life's gotta be tough enough as it is, so you need all the help you can get.
Ah, the voice of reason.

Like I said, the fact that they're projecting this as added costs points to some secondary pool or an increase in the current pool just to subsidize them. In a time when the state is flat broke. To subsidize an education for people who, by your own admission, will probably have to leave to find meaningful work anyway.
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Ah, the voice of reason.

Like I said, the fact that they're projecting this as added costs points to some secondary pool or an increase in the current pool just to subsidize them. In a time when the state is flat broke. To subsidize an education for people who, by your own admission, will probably have to leave to find meaningful work anyway.


What part of "I agree" didn't you understand?

This can't be passed. I mean, just think about how much extra the state is going to have to spend on special education needs for native-born California students.
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I wasn't aware there were any "native-born" California folk left in CA. Thought they all left by now.
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/new-york...152626183.html

I just do not understand the immigration laws and policies in this country.


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Nadia Habib packs in her Queens home. (Photos by David Handschuh/NYDN)



Her suitcase is packed, but a Queens teen facing deportation Thursday spent what could be her last hours in America hoping she doesn't have to go.

"I know it's real," said Nadia Habib, 19, a Stony Brook University junior and Bronx High School of Science grad who came to the U.S. as a baby.

"It's been really hectic and nerve-racking with my family," she said. "The past three weeks I feel like I've had to grow up a lot."

Habib was set to report with her mom, Nazmin, to Federal Plaza by 11 a.m. this morning to be deported to Bangladesh, leaving behind her dad and her three siblings, who were born here and are U.S. citizens.

"I could be literally leaving everything I know," Habib said. "Leaving would mean being separated from my brothers, my baby sister and my Dad."

She and her mother each can bring just one piece of luggage, weighing only 50 pounds.



"I've always considered myself as American as anyone else," said Nadia Habib.

"There's no way I can fit everything," said Habib, who said she just threw in some clothes and shoes - finding it impossible to pack up her whole life to go to a country she never knew. She doesn't even speak Bengali.

"I've always considered myself as American as anyone else," she said.

The family's Woodside home was full of neighborhood friends, trying to calm her mother and praying that the two will be able to stay.

"I have never seen her [my mom] crying so much as in this past week," Habib said.

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For a decade, Habib's mom has been trying to reopen their bid for asylum. But on Sept. 10, the pair got a letter from the feds saying they had to leave.

Their lawyer, Aygul Charles, put in a request on Monday with Immigration and Customs Enforcement to stop the deportation - and asked that Habib and her mother be allowed to stay for humanitarian reasons.

"There has not been an official response," Charles said. "It's coming down to the wire."

The Habibs' case is especially compelling, Charles said, because the feds recently said they would follow new deportation priorities and focus on booting immigrants with criminal records.

Officials are reviewing 300,000 pending deportations and plan to let some law-abiding immigrants with ties to the U.S. stay temporarily and get permission to work.

An ICE spokesman would not comment on the specifics of the Habibs' case but said deportation priority decisions are made on a "case-by-case basis."

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand's (D-N.Y.) office has been talking with ICE on the family's behalf, said spokeswoman Angie Hu.

"We expect that ICE will fully and fairly consider the family's request," said Hu.

Just a few days ago, Habib, who is studying psychology and wants to be a drug researcher, was trying to focus on midterms. But during a weekend drive around Stony Brook with friends, she broke down and cried.

"I thought, this could be the last time I see this certain part of sky," she said.
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Read about that yesterday. Sorry, but to the hysterical crowd, it's get on the bus to Guadalajara when you turn 18. Well, for this one, it's Bangladesh. Don't speak the language where we're sending you? Tough shit, apparently.
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Like we need any more of those.

This is a sad story, but I hope it's a cautionary tale for people whose legal status is questionable: Cross ever "t" and dot every "i". Don’t put off for years what you could straighten out today. The feds are glacially slow but they will get around to you eventually and fuck you hard. If you think "whitey" doesn't face similar problems of glacial bureaucracy, inconsistent enforcement, and baffling inefficient judgments you couldn't be more wrong. It's a shitty part about living here, but it's better than Bangladesh.
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There are several questions that need to be answered.

How did they get here?
When did they get here?
What's the timeline for the asylum case?

If the Mother intentionally came here illegally then the blame is on her, if she was trying to emigrate legally and the government fell down on it's responsibility, that could change things.
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This is a sad story, but I hope it's a cautionary tale for people whose legal status is questionable: Cross ever "t" and dot every "i". Don’t put off for years what you could straighten out today. The feds are glacially slow but they will get around to you eventually and fuck you hard. If you think "whitey" doesn't face similar problems of glacial bureaucracy, inconsistent enforcement, and baffling inefficient judgments you couldn't be more wrong. It's a shitty part about living here, but it's better than Bangladesh.
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The family immigrated to the United States in 1993. The father, Jawad Habib, a taxi driver, has his green card. Nadia’s three younger siblings were born here and are citizens. But Nadia — who left Bangladesh when she was 20 months old — and her mother overstayed a tourist visa and are not legal residents.

Ever since an order was issued in 2000 for mother and daughter’s removal, the family says they have been trying to appeal and seek political asylum. Their case has never been reopened, but Immigration and Customs Enforcement never enforced the ruling — until last month.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-to-stay-calm/

Interesting since this article claims that the mother and daughter have received political asylum...
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Nadia was just 1 when she and her mother were granted political asylum and came to America to reunite with her father. Her father was granted a Green Card and blames a string of bad immigration attorneys for not getting documentation for his wife and daughter.
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Since the mother and daughter's residency was paramount then the family should have stuck with it and gotten better counsel.
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At an immigration hearing in Federal Plaza on Thursday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agreed to review the Habibs’ case and decide whether to reopen it, their lawyer said.
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Yeah they should be deported. And spare the "packing her bags.. looking up at the sky.. leaving everything behind" violin playing stupid crap.

We had the situation here where my manager was from another country on a Visa. His kids grew up here and went to school here but he didn't follow up on his Visa and it expired. He couldn't get it renewed so he was told he had to return back home. So he had to uproot his family and move back home. And, for some reason, he did it! He didn't ignore it and then cry when caught some years later. He admitted he screwed up and took responsibility for it. Imagine that!
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And, for some reason, he did it! He didn't ignore it and then cry when caught some years later. He admitted he screwed up and took responsibility for it. Imagine that!
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