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View Poll Results: Is WikiLeaks holding back certain info for an early November release?
Yes, potentially damaging info is being temporarily withheld. 8 47.06%
No, the releases are haphazard. 9 52.94%
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Old 12-02-10, 01:20 PM   #76
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Am I the only one thats already sick of this shit?

Funny though that Amazon won't host their site, but will still stand by selling that NAMBLA guide. (Not that I blame them for doing so in the anti-censorship sense, but c'mon, double standard.)
Amazon treated both situations in the same manner, no double standard at all.
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Old 12-02-10, 07:58 PM   #77
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Detroit appears as if it were nuked
Detroit was made a state and they nuked it?! Man, we need WikiLeaks more than ever!
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Old 12-03-10, 01:48 AM   #78
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

Yeah here's a good idea, new legislation that could have who knows what kind of unintended consequences down the road.

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Lieberman Introduces Anti-WikiLeaks Legislation

* By Kevin Poulsen
* December 2, 2010 |
* 6:32 pm |
* Categories: Wikileaks
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Senator Joseph Lieberman and other lawmakers on Thursday introduced legislation that would make it a federal crime for anyone to publish the name of a U.S. intelligence source, in a direct swipe at the secret-spilling website WikiLeaks.

“The recent dissemination by Wikileaks of thousands of State Department cables and other documents is just the latest example of how our national security interests, the interests of our allies, and the safety of government employees and countless other individuals are jeopardized by the illegal release of classified and sensitive information,” said Lieberman in a written statement.

“This legislation will help hold people criminally accountable who endanger these sources of information that are vital to protecting our national security interests,” he continued.

The so-called SHIELD Act (Securing Human Intelligence and Enforcing Lawful Dissemination) would amend a section of the Espionage Act that already forbids publishing classified information on U.S. cryptographic secrets or overseas communications intelligence — i.e., wiretapping. The bill would extend that prohibition to information on HUMINT, human intelligence, making it a crime to publish information “concerning the identity of a classified source or informant of an element of the intelligence community of the United States,” or “concerning the human intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government” if such publication is prejudicial to U.S. interests.

Leaking such information in the first place is already a crime, so the measure is aimed squarely at publishers.

Lieberman (ID-CT) has been going after WikiLeaks with a fury he once reserved for video-game zombies, pressuring first Amazon, and then data-visualization company Tableau, to blacklist the organization in the wake of this week’s State Department leak.

Lieberman’s proposed solution to WikiLeaks could have implications for journalists reporting on some of the more unsavory practices of the intelligence community. For example, former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega was once a paid CIA asset. Would reporting that now be a crime?

One thing the bill won’t do is put WikiLeaks, or founder Julian Assange, in any new legal jeopardy over the “Cablegate” database, the Afghan war logs, or the organization’s other recent high-profile leaks. That’s because the Constitution imposes a total ban on ex post facto criminal laws.

WikiLeaks first started getting heat over U.S. intelligence sources when it published a detailed and mostly classified log of 77,000 events in the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan last July. Though it took some steps to keep informant’s names from the release, some of the published records nonetheless contained the names of Afghan informants, whom the Pentagon and various NGOs have said face potentially deadly reprisal from the Taliban. Months later, though, there have been no confirmed reports of anyone coming to harm from that leak.

WikiLeaks was more cautious with the 400,000 entry Iraq war logs it published in October, using an automated script to redact names from the data dump. And with the quarter-million State Department cables, WikiLeaks is trickling out the documents about 80 at a time, and apparently manually purging the names of U.S. sources as it goes.

But on Thursday a German politician admitted that he’d passed confidential information to U.S. diplomats, after a WikiLeaks cable describing an anonymous, well-placed U.S. informant in Germany set off a mole-hunt within that country’s Free Democratic Party.

The SHIELD Act is co-sponsored by senators John Ensign (R-NV) and Scott Brown (R-MA). The text of the bill is below.

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Old 12-03-10, 02:28 AM   #79
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

Would it mean forming a new government agency called SHIELD? Because if that's the case, I might be down for it.

However, if this does anything other than lead to an Avengers initiative, I'm against it.

I'm also against Senator Joe Lieberman, on the whole.
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Old 12-03-10, 10:02 AM   #80
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it's really shocking that real life is not like star trek or star wars where all government officials call each other by their title all the time and never talk bad about anyone else
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Old 12-03-10, 10:17 AM   #81
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I think it's adorable that the U.S. government thinks it can do anything about Wikileaks.
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Re: No wikileaks discussion?

I find it interesting that the heat has been turned up against WikiLeaks after the releasing of gossip/tabloid-type information more than when previous leaks about military issues in Afghanistan.

I wonder if Assange's promise of upcoming leaks about a large US bank has given congress more incentive to want to do something about WikiLeaks.

I think that the latest rounds of leaks are a good thing... that is of course unless someone can explain how the leaking the information that "Gaddafi relies on a voluptuous Ukranian nurse wherever he goes" is going to cause someone to get killed.
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I find it interesting that the heat has been turned up against WikiLeaks after the releasing of gossip/tabloid-type information more than when previous leaks about military issues in Afghanistan.

I wonder if Assange's promise of upcoming leaks about a large US bank has given congress more incentive to want to do something about WikiLeaks.

I think that the latest rounds of leaks are a good thing... that is of course unless someone can explain how the leaking the information that "Gaddafi relies on a voluptuous Ukranian nurse wherever he goes" is going to cause someone to get killed.
It's a good thing that the governments in Pakistan and the Gulf states are so secure, and that no harm can happen to their officials.
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Old 12-03-10, 11:10 AM   #84
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I think it's adorable that the U.S. government thinks it can do anything about Wikileaks.

I believe they can.
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I believe they can.
Such as?

It's very difficult to shut down a website. Almost impossible. They're currently down because of a DDoS but they still have mirrors.
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Old 12-03-10, 11:23 AM   #86
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Such as?

It's very difficult to shut down a website. Almost impossible. They're currently down because of a DDoS but they still have mirrors.
Yes, but a person may not wish to continue, or be able to, if facing hefty fines and/or lengthy jail sentences.
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Old 12-03-10, 11:27 AM   #87
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Yes, but a person may not wish to continue, or be able to, if facing hefty fines and/or lengthy jail sentences.
Well yes, but one, I don't believe that Assange is the whole of Wikileaks, and two, even if he is, he'll find refuge somewhere. All he has to do is stay in that country.
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Such as?

It's very difficult to shut down a website. Almost impossible. They're currently down because of a DDoS but they still have mirrors.
If you think that is true, go over to 4chan, tell them about your website and podcast and call them little children
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Old 12-03-10, 01:57 PM   #89
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I think it's adorable that the U.S. government thinks it can do anything about Wikileaks.
I think they could. The US Government has most probably designed cyber tools for the next war. Whether they want to unleash them against someone who's merely an embarrassment is a different question.
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I think they could. The US Government has most probably designed cyber tools for the next war. Whether they want to unleash them against someone who's merely an embarrassment is a different question.
They actually haven't.
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They actually haven't.
After Stuxnet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet you really think that most, if not all of the G8 countries at least don't have at least something for cyberwarfare? And the Google/China bit of fun earlier this year?
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After Stuxnet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet you really think that most, if not all of the G8 countries at least don't have at least something for cyberwarfare? And the Google/China bit of fun earlier this year?
No, I don't. One thing government doesn't do is act quickly. Maybe in 5 years we will, but right now? Not a chance.
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They actually haven't.
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Such as?

It's very difficult to shut down a website. Almost impossible. They're currently down because of a DDoS but they still have mirrors.
It is not impossible. No where near impossible. But it does require the determination of a group to make that happen. Makes me wonder if government officials are genuinely upset about the leaks.
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1. Is Joe Lieberman the most pro censorship person in the united states? There isn't a god damn thing he doesn't want to silence.

2. If the government's panties hurt because someone stole their shit maybe they should guard their shit a little better. As Sgt. Hartman said: "If it wasn't for fuck-ups like you Pvt. Pyle there wouldn't be any thievery in this world!"

3. How come so many grown adults (from cubicle cowboys to Fortune 500 CEO's to East Anglia climate fakes to top secret defense department jack-offs) get caught with their pants down saying embarassing things in emails? Whether it's forwarding porn or calling Prince Edward an asshole, any professional person should know that you save that shit for the men's room or drinks after work, you don't email it around the office. Everytime there's an info dump and the incriminating emails get exposed I laugh myself silly.

5. I bet all these State Department spooks feel like bad-ass James Bonds all day at work, but all their wives have caught them jacking off to porn at home.

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Yes, but a person may not wish to continue, or be able to, if facing hefty fines and/or lengthy jail sentences.
Is Assange currently a resident of the United States? Or even visiting?
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Is Assange currently a resident of the United States? Or even visiting?
No, not that I am aware of.

Of course, I don't know what either of those have to do with what I stated.
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Well, currently, only the United States (and Canada, I guess, if anyone counts them) has any problem with Assange. If he's facing fines or jail time, they'd only be worthwhile as deterrents if he came to the United States.
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Of course, I don't know what either of those have to do with what I stated.
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