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Old 06-08-09, 11:16 AM   #1
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The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

Spurred on by the release of this poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120764/Co...spx?CSTS=alert



I thought maybe other people had opinions on how Obama is being lazy on gay rights. One of his campaign pledges to the gay community was to repeal DADT and allow openly gay people to serve in the military, but he's been dragging his feet.

Now that 69% (!) of Americans support this (including +12% and +11% shifts among conservatives and weekly churchgoers, respectively) how can he still justify this?

Add to this his total silence on all of the marriage equality progress and the weirdly tone-deaf gay jokes. What's going on? Does he really not care? Is the Human Rights Campaign getting to him?
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Old 06-08-09, 11:19 AM   #2
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

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Old 06-08-09, 11:20 AM   #3
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

He still has to be re-elected to a second term, you know.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:21 AM   #4
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Weird. I didn't post it twice. Anyway!
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Old 06-08-09, 11:22 AM   #5
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

Those numbers surprise me. But I'll go with Chris Rock on this: "If they want to fight, let 'em fight".
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Old 06-08-09, 11:28 AM   #6
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

During the campaign, both he and Hillary (and, for a while, McCain) were making pretty strong overtures to the gay community. You decided that only Obama was sincere. I think you're now finding out whether you were right.

And also what Groucho said. Expect a lot of outreach in about two years.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:31 AM   #7
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

President Obama just appointed a Republican Secretary of the Army who supports repealing DADT. I don't think this was unintentional. I expect DADT will be gone within the next year or so.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:31 AM   #8
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That's exactly my point though. I can understand the marriage thing; I don't have to like it, but I understand it.

The DADT repeal is just ridiculous. 69% of Americans support ending it and he still doesn't do a damn thing about it.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:36 AM   #9
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President Obama just appointed a Republican Secretary of the Army who supports repealing DADT. I don't think this was unintentional. I expect DADT will be gone within the next year or so.
He could do something about it now. In fact, there would be a great way for him to show at least some sincerity. He could stop the discharge of Lt. Colonel Victor Fehrenbach, or at least reinstate his pension: http://www.queerty.com/shock-obama-l...bach-20090520/
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

I'm not surprised, personally. While this is obviously a big issue for the gay community, it is a very weak issue for most everyone else. Sure, we support you being in the military, but if I don't see the issue in front of me, I don't give it a second thought ("me" being the general public). The economy is something I think about daily.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:36 AM   #11
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The DADT repeal is just ridiculous. 69% of Americans support ending it and he still doesn't do a damn thing about it.
It's possible the American public supports all sorts of things that the entity that will have to actually deal with it, the military, doesn't. Kind of like opinions on closing Gitmo and then their opinion when they find out that they may have the prisoners jailed near them.
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During the campaign, both he and Hillary (and, for a while, McCain) were making pretty strong overtures to the gay community. You decided that only Obama was sincere. I think you're now finding out whether you were right.

And also what Groucho said. Expect a lot of outreach in about two years.
I knew that Clinton wouldn't have done jack-shit for gay people. She's totally wrapped up in the DC/HRC/Democratic clusterfuck.
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It's possible the American public supports all sorts of things that the entity that will have to actually deal with it, the military, doesn't. Kind of like opinions on closing Gitmo when people find out that they may have the prisoners jailed near them.
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So? So you don't necessarily make military decisions based on public opinion.
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Old 06-08-09, 11:40 AM   #15
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

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I knew that Clinton wouldn't have done jack-shit for gay people. She's totally wrapped up in the DC/HRC/Democratic clusterfuck.
Then your best bet is to hope Dick Cheney runs in 2012....
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So? So you don't necessarily make military decisions based on public opinion.

You know we had an election, right?
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So? So you don't necessarily make military decisions based on public opinion.
What do you make U.S. military policy based on then? I'm curious, being a combat veteran with multiple tours and all. Please. Enlighten me.

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So? So you don't necessarily make military decisions based on public opinion.
This isn't a military decision.

Besides, was the military in favor of desegregation?
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You know we had an election, right?
i know that is a joke but i hate that argument. and it is going to come back and bite the democrats in the butt when the GOP wins and starts doing stupid stuff.
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i know that is a joke but i hate that argument. and it is going to come back and bite the democrats in the butt when the GOP wins and starts doing stupid stuff.
Why is that a bad argument? It's kind of the reason we have elections.
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Re: The One and Only "Gay People are Angry at Obama" Thread

It looks to me that he's trying to use his new-president-power to actually get stuff done...health care, green stuff, regulation, etc. Going to bat for the gays is going to result in decreased power so he's probably stalling.

I'm sure he'll do something about DADT in a year or two. Hopefully.
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He still has to be re-elected to a second term, you know.
This.

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It looks to me that he's trying to use his new-president-power to actually get stuff done...health care, green stuff, regulation, etc. Going to bat for the gays is going to result in decreased power so he's probably stalling.

I'm sure he'll do something about DADT in a year or two. Hopefully.
And this.
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i know that is a joke but i hate that argument. and it is going to come back and bite the democrats in the butt when the GOP wins and starts doing stupid stuff.

It doesn't mean that the public has voted and military decisions will be made based on that vote. It means that the person elected will make military decisions based on public opinion, in my opinion. Gitmo is the first test.
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