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Old 08-22-07, 06:22 PM   #1
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Ariz. school suspends 13 yr old boy for sketching gun

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...n_N.htm?csp=34

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MESA, Ariz. (AP) ó School officials suspended a 13-year-old boy for sketching what looked like a gun, saying the action posed a threat to his classmates.

The boy's parents said the drawing was a harmless doodle and school officials overreacted.

"The school made him feel like he committed a crime. They are doing more damage than good," said the boy's mother, Paula Mosteller.

The drawing did not show blood, bullets, injuries or target any human, the parents said. And the East Valley Tribune reported that the boy said he didn't intend for the picture to be a threat.

Administrators of Payne Junior High in nearby Chandler suspended the boy on Monday for five days but later reduced it to three days.

The boy's father, Ben Mosteller, said that when he went to the school to discuss his son's punishment, school officials mentioned the seriousness of the issue and talked about the massacre at Colorado's Columbine High School, where two teenagers shot and killed 12 students, a teacher and themselves in 1999. Mosteller said he was offended by the reference.

Chandler district spokesman Terry Locke said the crude sketch was "absolutely considered a threat," and that threatening words or pictures are punishable.

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I'm going to stick this story in here, per this thread. But I swear, if I don't get any responses, it's back to The Other for me.

I think the school's reaction is a little overkill.

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Old 08-22-07, 06:26 PM   #2
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This would never have happened in Svalbard

Here's a little tip for kids and for parents to tell their kids.. Keep the talk, drawings, and references to guns and bombs out of your school. Is it really that hard to get through the day without them?

And yes the school over-reacted.
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Old 08-22-07, 06:29 PM   #3
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Old 08-22-07, 06:35 PM   #4
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hell, I used to draw out full battle scenes across the tops and margins in my notebooks while taking notes
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Old 08-22-07, 08:10 PM   #5
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Old 08-22-07, 08:12 PM   #6
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hell, I used to draw out full battle scenes across the tops and margins in my notebooks while taking notes
I did flipbook sketches of gory sword and gunfights in my notebooks.

To date I have never shot up a school.
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Old 08-22-07, 08:20 PM   #7
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This is the kind of sick treatment that fucks up kids minds.

If I were the parents I would keep the kid the hell out of that school, which is clearly run by psychopaths.
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Old 08-22-07, 08:30 PM   #8
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I did flipbook sketches of gory sword and gunfights in my notebooks.

To date I have never shot up a school.
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Old 08-22-07, 09:09 PM   #9
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maybe his classmate had drawn a picture of a polar bear?
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Old 08-22-07, 10:20 PM   #10
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This is the kind of sick treatment that fucks up kids minds.

If I were the parents I would keep the kid the hell out of that school, which is clearly run by psychopaths.
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Old 08-22-07, 10:30 PM   #11
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Shit. Ive been saying for years I would be kicked out of HS nowadays. Its only been 10 years since HS, but me (and others) did some crazy stuff in our art classes. We'd probably be locked up now.
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Old 08-23-07, 12:15 AM   #12
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It's sad that it's come to this. I agree, the school did seem to overreact even though I'm sure we don't know the entire story. However, you can bet the uproar that would occur if this kid ever did become violent with a gun. I can hear the critics saying "There were signs! He drew pictures of guns in school or god's sake! Why wasn't anything done? The schools are incompetent!"
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What's next?

Giving police authority to shoot kids on site for making a gun with their fingers and pointing them at people, yelling, "Bang!"
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Old 08-23-07, 09:44 AM   #15
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lesson of the story is if you draw a gun, draw a wild animal in front of it
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Old 08-23-07, 11:49 AM   #16
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I would have been suspended every day, along with just about every other boy in my school.
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an image of the drawing has been released

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It's sad that it's come to this. I agree, the school did seem to overreact even though I'm sure we don't know the entire story. However, you can bet the uproar that would occur if this kid ever did become violent with a gun. I can hear the critics saying "There were signs! He drew pictures of guns in school or god's sake! Why wasn't anything done? The schools are incompetent!"
Absolutely. After the Columbine shootings there were talk that they used to talk about guns, draw photos, etc.. why didn't the school do something? Why didn't they know they were a danger?

Then when the schools take proactive action they get blasted for it. People in this country love to have things both ways.

I think an appropriate thing to have done here is to call in the parents and speak with them about it to make sure their kid didn't have some fascination with guns and the like.. and leave it at that unless there are other signs down the road. I don't think a suspension was necessary. But, like you say, we are only really hearing one side of this story..
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Absolutely. After the Columbine shootings there were talk that they used to talk about guns, draw photos, etc.. why didn't the school do something? Why didn't they know they were a danger?

Then when the schools take proactive action they get blasted for it. People in this country love to have things both ways.

I think an appropriate thing to have done here is to call in the parents and speak with them about it to make sure their kid didn't have some fascination with guns and the like.. and leave it at that unless there are other signs down the road. I don't think a suspension was necessary. But, like you say, we are only really hearing one side of this story..
Whenever people say that kind of stuff, I don't know why the response is never "millions of kids for generations have drawn guns and not killed anyone. You probably did it at some point in your life. There are far more factors than a drawing of a gun."

Now, if he had drawn a gun pointed at a picture of his principal with his brains blown out, I could understand a parent-teacher conference. But zero-tolerance removes this need, as everything is against the rules.

Here's an example: my real name is Christian, which is what I've always gone by. I had a teacher in 2nd grade who didn't like writing it out, and wanted me to shorten it. So I wrote "Christ" at the top of my papers...wasn't trying to be a smartass, I honestly didn't know what she meant. They called my parents about it (my dad's a minister and my mom's also a teacher and they both got a big kick out of it since my teacher was being such a bitch about the whole thing.) They talked about it, resolved it with me and that was that.

Why that couldn't happen here is beyond me. If they are legitimately concerned about the safety of the school, they should have called the parents in and discussed the situation. That way, if he DOES shoot up the school, the school officials can point to the fact they talked to the parents about the "warning signs" and the parents chose to ignore them.

Or sent the kid to Norway.
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