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Old 08-12-06, 07:41 AM   #76
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Text of U.N. Draft Resolution

UNITED NATIONS The Security Council,

PP1. Recalling all its previous resolutions on Lebanon, in particular resolutions 425 (1978), 426 (1978), 520 (1982), 1559 (2004), 1655 (2006) 1680 (2006) and 1697 (2006), as well as the statements of its President on the situation in Lebanon, in particular the statements of 18 June 2000 (S/PRST/2000/21), of 19 October 2004 (S/PRST/2004/36), of 4 May 2005 (S/PRST/2005/17) of 23 January 2006 (S/PRST/2006/3) and of 30 July 2006 (S/PRST/2006/35),

PP2. Expressing its utmost concern at the continuing escalation of hostilities in Lebanon and in Israel since Hezbollah's attack on Israel on 12 July 2006, which has already caused hundreds of deaths and injuries on both sides, extensive damage to civilian infrastructure and hundreds of thousands of internally displaced persons,

PP3. Emphasizing the need for an end of violence, but at the same time emphasizing the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis, including by the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers,

PP4: Mindful of the sensitivity of the issue of prisoners and encouraging the efforts aimed at urgently settling the issue of the Lebanese prisoners detained in Israel,

PP5. Welcoming the efforts of the Lebanese Prime Minister and the commitment of the government of Lebanon, in its seven-point plan, to extend its authority over its territory, through its own legitimate armed forces, such that there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon, welcoming also its commitment to a UN force that is supplemented and enhanced in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operation, and bearing in mind its request in this plan for an immediate withdrawal of the Israeli forces from Southern Lebanon,

PP6. Determined to act for this withdrawal to happen at the earliest,

PP7. Taking due note of the proposals made in the seven-point plan regarding the Shebaa farms area,

PP8. [b]Welcoming the unanimous decision by the government of Lebanon on 7 August 2006 to deploy a Lebanese armed force of 15,000 troops in South Lebanon as the Israeli army withdraws behind the Blue Line and to request the assistance of additional forces from UNIFIL as needed, to facilitate the entry of the Lebanese armed forces into the region and to restate its intention to strengthen the Lebanese armed forces with material as needed to enable it to perform its duties,[b]

PP9. Aware of its responsibilities to help secure a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution to the conflict,

PP10. Determining that the situation in Lebanon constitutes a threat to international peace and security,

OP1. Calls for a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations;

OP2. Upon full cessation of hostilities, calls upon the government of Lebanon and UNIFIL as authorized by paragraph 11 to deploy their forces together throughout the South and calls upon the government of Israel, as that deployment begins, to withdraw all of its forces from Southern Lebanon in parallel;

OP3. Emphasizes the importance of the extension of the control of the government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory in accordance with the provisions of resolution 1559 (2004) and resolution 1680 (2006), and of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, for it to exercise its full sovereignty, so that there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon;

OP4. Reiterates its strong support for full respect for the Blue Line;

OP5. Also reiterates its strong support, as recalled in all its previous relevant resolutions, for the territorial integrity, sovereignty and political independence of Lebanon within its internationally recognized borders, as contemplated by the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement of 23 March 1949;

OP6. Calls on the international community to take immediate steps to extend its financial and humanitarian assistance to the Lebanese people, including through facilitating the safe return of displaced persons and, under the authority of the Government of Lebanon, reopening airports and harbours, consistent with paragraphs 14 and 15, and calls on it also to consider further assistance in the future to contribute to the reconstruction and development of Lebanon;

OP7. Affirms that all parties are responsible for ensuring that no action is taken contrary to paragraph 1 that might adversely affect the search for a long-term solution, humanitarian access to civilian populations, including safe passage for humanitarian convoys, or the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons, and calls on all parties to comply with this responsibility and to cooperate with the Security Council;

OP8. Calls for Israel and Lebanon to support a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution based on the following principles and elements:

full respect for the Blue Line by both parties,

security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities, including the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11, deployed in this area,

full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of July 27, 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state,

no foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its government,

no sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its government,

provision to the United Nations of all remaining maps of land mines in Lebanon in Israel's possession;

OP9. Invites the Secretary General to support efforts to secure as soon as possible agreements in principle from the Government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel to the principles and elements for a long-term solution as set forth in paragraph 8, and expresses its intention to be actively involved;

OP10. Requests the Secretary General to develop, in liaison with relevant international actors and the concerned parties, proposals to implement the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), including disarmament, and for delineation of the international borders of Lebanon, especially in those areas where the border is disputed or uncertain, including by dealing with the Shebaa farms area, and to present to the Security Council those proposals within thirty days;

OP11. Decides, in order to supplement and enhance the force in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operations, to authorize an increase in the force strength of UNIFIL to a maximum of 15,000 troops, and that the force shall, in addition to carrying out its mandate under resolutions 425 and 426 (1978):

a. Monitor the cessation of hostilities;

b. Accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the South, including along the Blue Line, as Israel withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon as provided in paragraph 2;

c. Coordinate its activities related to paragraph 11 (b) with the Government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel;

d. Extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons;

e. Assist the Lebanese armed forces in taking steps towards the establishment of the area as referred to in paragraph 8;

f. Assist the government of Lebanon, at its request, to implement paragraph 14;

OP12. Acting in support of a request from the government of Lebanon to deploy an international force to assist it to exercise its authority throughout the territory, authorizes UNIFIL to take all necessary action in areas of deployment of its forces and as it deems within its capabilities, to ensure that its area of operations is not utilized for hostile activities of any kind, to resist attempts by forceful means to prevent it from discharging its duties under the mandate of the Security Council, and to protect United Nations personnel, facilities, installations and equipment, ensure the security and freedom of movement of United Nations personnel, humanitarian workers, and, without prejudice to the responsibility of the government of Lebanon, to protect civilians under imminent threat of physical violence;

OP13. Requests the Secretary General urgently to put in place measures to ensure UNIFIL is able to carry out the functions envisaged in this resolution, urges Member States to consider making appropriate contributions to UNIFIL and to respond positively to requests for assistance from the Force, and expresses its strong appreciation to those who have contributed to UNIFIL in the past;

OP14. Calls upon the Government of Lebanon to secure its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel and requests UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11 to assist the Government of Lebanon at its request;

OP15. Decides further that all states shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft,

(a) the sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories, and

(b) the provision to any entity or individual in Lebanon of any technical training or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of the items listed in subparagraph (a) above,

except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11;

OP16. Decides to extend the mandate of UNIFIL until 31 August 2007, and expresses its intention to consider in a later resolution further enhancements to the mandate and other steps to contribute to the implementation of a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution;

OP17. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Council within one week on the implementation of this resolution and subsequently on a regular basis;

OP18. Stresses the importance of, and the need to achieve, a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East, based on all its relevant resolutions including its resolutions 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 and 338 (1973) of 22 October 1973;

OP19. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter
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I believe the 'enforcement provisions' are open for interpretation. The U.S. & Israel will obviously interpret them in a way somewhat different than the government of Iran, Hezbollah, the Islamic world, the Arab world, most of Europe, etc.

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Old 08-12-06, 02:09 PM   #77
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I said long ago that Israel should have immeadiately given the UN 72 hours to act, return the soldiers and get the ball rolling on 1559 or go all out with full war. Put it on their shoulders and see how it sorts itself out.
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Old 08-12-06, 07:23 PM   #78
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The way that I interpret the "cease-fire"...

[between the lines] "You have until Monday morning to continue blowing each other away." - Kofi Annan [/between the lines]
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Old 08-13-06, 09:45 AM   #79
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I have to relate to Annan's quote here (though his quote has disappeared from the CNN story I was about to link) in that "in the spirit" of the agreement designed to save civilian lives, it might be better to stop firing today?

What is the purpose of setting this for tomorrow?

Are they still waiting for approval from a party that I'm unaware of? Waiting for word to spread?

Final chance for some clean-up operations already in progress?

Do the peacekeeping forces need to be mobilized first? And if so, can't they mobilize while nobody is firing?

Is it because Hezbollah doesn't have direct control over those firing the rockets?

Is it because Israel has some more targets to take care of before they want to withdraw?

Does Hezbollah need to light off a few more fireworks because their mom won't let them set them off next week?

I know Hezbollah has expressed some concern over some terms (including returning the 2 soldiers, which they clearly must do) but all signs point to this ending tomorrow.

It seems stupid to me for one civilian to die when both (all three) sides have agreed to a cease-fire.

I can't seem to find an explanation in any of these stories I've read, so I turn to you, my trusted analysts... a few of whom know a lot more about these things than I do. Though there doesn't appear to be a clear explanation based on the last few responses in this thread.
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Old 08-13-06, 09:47 AM   #80
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Are you asking this as of after all sides have agreed to it (Israel, Hezbollah, and Lebanon) though excluding the arms provider Syria and solider provider Iran?

They know it won't just immeadiately stop from 100% to 0%. The fighting is going to die down slowly. Insisting that it is immeadiate would = an end to the cease fire before it begins. There will still be fighting, even though the plan is in place, as both sides extract themselves from positions and in this case as both sides dig into positions they don't plan on leaving for a while.

Israel just had a lot of casualties and lost men because they are in a mad dash to the Litani river.
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Old 08-13-06, 12:54 PM   #81
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I have to relate to Annan's quote here (though his quote has disappeared from the CNN story I was about to link) in that "in the spirit" of the agreement designed to save civilian lives, it might be better to stop firing today?

What is the purpose of setting this for tomorrow?

Are they still waiting for approval from a party that I'm unaware of? Waiting for word to spread?

Final chance for some clean-up operations already in progress?

Do the peacekeeping forces need to be mobilized first? And if so, can't they mobilize while nobody is firing?

Is it because Hezbollah doesn't have direct control over those firing the rockets?

Is it because Israel has some more targets to take care of before they want to withdraw?

Does Hezbollah need to light off a few more fireworks because their mom won't let them set them off next week?

I know Hezbollah has expressed some concern over some terms (including returning the 2 soldiers, which they clearly must do) but all signs point to this ending tomorrow.

It seems stupid to me for one civilian to die when both (all three) sides have agreed to a cease-fire.

I can't seem to find an explanation in any of these stories I've read, so I turn to you, my trusted analysts... a few of whom know a lot more about these things than I do. Though there doesn't appear to be a clear explanation based on the last few responses in this thread.
War and Peace is not like a light switch. It takes time to go to war. It takes time to implement peace. Why is there such a big deal about another 24hrs when the fighting has gone on for about a month or more? In any case, there are probably many other factors which need to be taken into consideration which we are not privy to. Another 24hrs certainly is not going to make or break the laws of humanity. More than likely, word has to spread down the ranks on the Hezbollah side. There has to be a grace period before the peace deal goes into effect. You can't just say, "Ok, we agreed to peace." and then everyone everywhere is supposed to hug each other.

And this resolution still does not deal with who this whole thing started originally: HAMAS.
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Old 08-13-06, 05:56 PM   #82
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Jerusalem - Israel believes it will be entitled to use force to prevent Hizbollah from rearming and to clear guerrilla positions out of southern Lebanon after a U.N. truce takes effect, Israeli officials said on Sunday. Israeli officials said such operations are ''defensive'' in nature and therefore permissible under a U.N. Security Council resolution which calls for Israel to halt ''all offensive military operations.''.....
Good. Keep killing them.
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Old 08-13-06, 07:14 PM   #83
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Hezbollah: We support the cease-fire, but we reserve the right to defend ourselves against Israeli occupying forces.
Israel: We support the cease-fire, but we reserve the right to defend ourselves by occupying Southern Lebanon until the international cavalry arrives.

Translation: Those UN peace-keepers are screwed.
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Yes, they are screwed since it's obvious that both sides are going to keep fighting each other.
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Old 08-13-06, 09:03 PM   #85
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Hezbollah: We support the cease-fire, but we reserve the right to defend ourselves against Israeli occupying forces.
Israel: We support the cease-fire, but we reserve the right to defend ourselves by occupying Southern Lebanon until the international cavalry arrives.

Translation: Those UN peace-keepers are screwed.
Yep. And the UN will condemn Israel whenever it retaliates because there will be UN peacekeepers in Lebannon, and they will look the other way at whatever Hezbollah does.

So basically... Business as usual.
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Old 08-13-06, 10:15 PM   #86
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It depends on both the make-up of the UN force and whether the force is made up of combat troops.

15,000 well trained combat troops in southern Lebanon should make quite a difference I would think.
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Old 08-13-06, 10:23 PM   #87
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Is anything cheesier than CNN's "COUNTDOWN TO CEASE-FIRE" clock they keep on the screen?

About 1:36 to go! I think I'll fast until then.
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Old 08-13-06, 10:30 PM   #88
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It depends on both the make-up of the UN force and whether the force is made up of combat troops.

15,000 well trained combat troops in southern Lebanon should make quite a difference I would think.
Generally UN forces don't like to fight. I don't think this one is going to be much different. It really all comes down to Hezbollah. I'm confident that Israel will stand down as requested. I have my doubts as to whether Hezbollah will stop firing at Israel and they may decide to shoot at the UN forces. It all depends on what their handlers (Iran/Syria) want to do. If the UN forces start taking casualties, they will pull out.
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Is anything cheesier than CNN's "COUNTDOWN TO CEASE-FIRE" clock they keep on the screen?

About 1:36 to go! I think I'll fast until then.
They countdown everything these days. I find it quite pointless, but CNN seems to love it. I've seen it on some of the other 24/7 news channels.
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I have my doubts as to whether Hezbollah will stop firing at Israel and they may decide to shoot at the UN forces. It all depends on what their handlers (Iran/Syria) want to do. If the UN forces start taking casualties, they will pull out.
When Hezbollah agreed to the cease fire agreement, the General of the Lebanese army asked the Hezbollah general point blank if they were going to give him any trouble establishing the provision of the agreement - where the Lebanese army would be the only army in southern lebanon and then Hezbollah general just stared back at him and said nothing.

In my experience follow groups like Hezbollah, "cease-fire" is a synonym for "reload".
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Reports are that Hezbollah is causing a delay in the official cease fire vote because they are opposed to the provisions that require them to disarm south of the Litani. Well, uhm, that's kind of the whole fucking reason that Israel has agreed to this.
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When Hezbollah agreed to the cease fire agreement, the General of the Lebanese army asked the Hezbollah general point blank if they were going to give him any trouble establishing the provision of the agreement - where the Lebanese army would be the only army in southern lebanon and then Hezbollah general just stared back at him and said nothing.

In my experience follow groups like Hezbollah, "cease-fire" is a synonym for "reload".
I bet they "respect" the IDF more than the UN or the Lebanonese army. The IDF will come in and kick them in the teeth.
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who knows how long Israels wants to stay in Lebanon. I think they lost 19 troops yesterday and a few others are still missing.
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who knows how long Israels wants to stay in Lebanon. I think they lost 19 troops yesterday and a few others are still missing.
IDF is recommending a quick pullout.
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IDF is recommending a quick pullout.
A quick pullout is always the safest choice.
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who knows how long Israels wants to stay in Lebanon. I think they lost 19 troops yesterday and a few others are still missing.
They're not as weak as the US media wants our troops to be. They'll be in there for as long as they have to.
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I like how when CNN's "COUNTDOWN TO CEASE-FIRE" clock would have hit 0:00, instead of showing the clock they had on a Hitachi projector commercial. When they came back there was no more countdown clock. Kind of anticlimatic.
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Now give CNN some credit, I think they showed a bunch of clips today of Hezbollah shooting off some great fireworks to celebrate their victory.

Seems apparent that this invasion didn't accomplish much if Hezbollah is still this bold and strong.
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Old 08-15-06, 05:49 AM   #99
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Cease fire into effect.... both sides declaring victory and I think they are both loosers.
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Whether Hezbollah is a loser depends on the events that are yet to transpire - what will the UN force do - apparently very little.
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