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Old 02-24-06, 01:06 PM   #51
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How exactly would one do that?? Are you serious?! Say you adopt a 2 month old kid who knows absolutely nothing.. As he /she grows up he / she sees a man living with a man (or woman living with a woman).. He / she grows up to think that's the way it's supposed to be..
I was raised by two straight parents. Go figure.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:10 PM   #52
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So your views on this matter are colored by your belief that homosexuality is something to be avoided, right? I like to keep these things straight.
Yes, but I'm not trying to bring any of that up.. I'm trying to stay on the original topic..

I do personally feel that it would influence the child.. Yea, sure you were raised by two straight parents and I'm sure they tried raising you as a straight person no? I would think the majority of straight parents who now have gay children did try to keep them "straight".
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Old 02-24-06, 01:16 PM   #53
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I do personally feel that it would influence the child..
It might actually make them more open-minded. This must clearly be avoided at all cost.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:19 PM   #54
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I do personally feel that it would influence the child.. Yea, sure you were raised by two straight parents and I'm sure they tried raising you as a straight person no? I would think the majority of straight parents who now have gay children did try to keep them "straight".
Oh, I see. You "feel" that it would influence the child, despite all evidence to the contrary. I "feel" like I should be a billionaire. Can I come join you in your fantasyland?

Did my parents try to raise me to be straight? I don't even know how to begin to answer that question, as it involves all sorts of cultural gender imperatives, etc. The fact remains- most gay people were raised by straight parents and still turned out to be gay. If you just plain don't like homosexuality, whatever, that's fine- just don't try and spin the facts to fit your "feelings" about the subject.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:20 PM   #55
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Yikes.. People taking this stuff personally.. I thought this was a place to express one's opinions?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:21 PM   #56
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Yeah, I am serious. No one is "made" gay. No one is "made" straight.
I just got an email from Anne Heche and she agrees.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:21 PM   #57
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Yikes.. People taking this stuff personally.. I thought this was a place to express one's opinions?
Some of this stuff affects more than a few of us quite personally.
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Do you think a kid who is raised by racist parents ends up being racist?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:22 PM   #59
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I just got an email from Anne Heche and she agrees.
Hey, be fair- Anne Heche wasn't a lesbian, she was just nuts.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:23 PM   #60
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Oh sorry.. So is this a thread where only gay people can express how they feel the topic in question agrees with them? If so, I will stay out and let you have your fun.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:23 PM   #61
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Yikes.. People taking this stuff personally.. I thought this was a place to express one's opinions?
You expressed an opinion. They (rightfully) expressed why you were wrong. You, for some reason, seem to believe that you're the only one allowed to have an opinion, and that nobody else is allowed to respond with a differing one.

The burden is on you to show that children being raised by gay parents are more likely to be gay than those being raised by straight parents. Think of yourself. Do you think any amount of seeing two men or two women together as a child would have made your current sexual orientation different?

(and oh yeah. I'm not gay. But I have no moral problem with it. Just not my cup of tea. I love my wife.)
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Old 02-24-06, 01:24 PM   #62
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Do you think a kid who is raised by racist parents ends up being racist?
So now you're comparing racism- a learned belief- with homosexuality? That's really how you want to play this?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:24 PM   #63
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Do you think a kid who is raised by racist parents ends up being racist?
You don't understand. See, the parent has a vast influence in just about every aspect of the child's life and views, unless it's homosexuality.
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Old 02-24-06, 01:25 PM   #64
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Do you think a kid who is raised by racist parents ends up being racist?
AFAIK, racism isn't biologically determined.

Or, put it another way, do you think a kid raised by left-handed parents grows up left-handed?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:26 PM   #65
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You don't understand. See, the parent has a vast influence in just about every aspect of the child's life and views, unless it's homosexuality.
If your parents raised you to be gay, you honestly believe you'd be gay? I mean, really?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:26 PM   #66
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You don't understand. See, the parent has a vast influence in just about every aspect of the child's life and views, unless it's homosexuality.
Considering that homosexuality isn't a learned trait, isn't that like saying that how parents raise their kids has an effect on what color their eyes are?
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Old 02-24-06, 01:27 PM   #67
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Or, put it another way, do you think a kid raised by left-handed parents grows up left-handed?
Guess what, I am left handed but was raised right handed and as a consequence write with my right hand and bat right-handed.
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Guess what, I am left handed but was raised right handed and as a consequence write with my right hand and bat right-handed.
Yeah, as soon as I typed that I realized someone would be able to punch a hole in it.

By 'bat" I'm guessing you mean cricket, right?
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Plus, you're a doctor. It doesn't matter what hand you write with - no one can read it anyway.
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Guess what, I am left handed but was raised right handed and as a consequence write with my right hand and bat right-handed.
Regardless of what hand you write with, do you think that your innate handedness has changed? I could marry a woman, but that wouldn't make me any less gay.
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Actually, I'll come around to tbird and bhk's line of thinking. Admit it, TracerBullet. You get a cash prize for every child you turn gay, right? This is what it's all about!
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You expressed an opinion. They (rightfully) expressed why you were wrong. You, for some reason, seem to believe that you're the only one allowed to have an opinion, and that nobody else is allowed to respond with a differing one.
They "rightfully" expressed why I was wrong? Oh.. So you are the ultimate judge.. Nuts. I had my fingers crossed hoping that I was the right one.

No, I don't think I'm the only one allowed to have an opinion.. Just when people start replying with "This must clearly be avoided at all cost." and "Can I come join your fantasyland" etc.. I'm just saying.. Man, people can't just have a normal conversation.. Have to get all sarcastic.

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The burden is on you to show that children being raised by gay parents are more likely to be gay than those being raised by straight parents. Think of yourself. Do you think any amount of seeing two men or two women together as a child would have made your current sexual orientation different?

(and oh yeah. I'm not gay. But I have no moral problem with it. Just not my cup of tea. I love my wife.)
The burden really isn't on me.. It really isn't a burden to me.. And as I think of myself.. No, the amount of gays I seen didn't change my sexual orientation but then again I didn't have two gay parents to make me think that was the
"right" way..
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Baseball. Play tennis left handed. I can throw a baseball with either hand but further and harder with my left. Football left only, kicking: left>right.
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Considering that homosexuality isn't a learned trait, isn't that like saying that how parents raise their kids has an effect on what color their eyes are?
So your saying your born with being gay? I personally don't believe that..
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No, I don't think I'm the only one allowed to have an opinion.. Just when people start replying with "This must clearly be avoided at all cost." and "Can I come join your fantasyland" etc.. I'm just saying.. Man, people can't just have a normal conversation.. Have to get all sarcastic.
Pretty much the reason I stopped nearly completely posting in threads dealing with homosexuality. People get too charged up emotionally.

*my last post in this thread too.
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