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Old 10-21-04, 06:18 PM   #1
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Which candidate just said this?

"I will bring my faith with me to the White House and it will guide me."

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It wasn't President Bush

So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?
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Old 10-21-04, 06:22 PM   #2
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Because Kerry has a plan...
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Old 10-21-04, 06:37 PM   #3
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The article I read earlier today said that Kerry will be emphasizing his faith in the days leading up to the election.

Between that and the hunting photo op, can anyone really take this as anything less than last minute shenanigans?

He's going for the swing voter, and hard. Who can blame him? I just wonder if there's any chance he could lose some of his base over these issues. Their banking on "no," here, likely because of the anti-Bush sentiment.

We shall see how the next 2 weeks play out. Hopefully there is a clear winner with a clear concession. If it truly goes as people are expecting and the lawyers and accusations come out regardless of results, we will be setting the worst example possible to the world, especially when you consider Afghanistan and Iraq right now.

If we, in our wisdom and hundreds of years of democracy, are in such a mess, how can they expect a democratic leader to ever be accepted?

My only hope is that this is not only not worse than 2000, but far better. Even if it's Kerry who ends up on top. America needs a clean election. Fingers crossed.
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Old 10-21-04, 06:42 PM   #4
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Because if it's coming from Kerry than it's A-OK! If it's coming from Bush than its evil and part of his plan to take over the world.
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Old 10-21-04, 06:50 PM   #5
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Re: Which candidate just said this?

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So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?
I would assume it's because Bush takes his faith seriously and when Kerry says something like this, it appears to be a cheap attempt to pander to the religious who don't like Bush.
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Old 10-21-04, 07:14 PM   #6
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Look where faith got George Michael. Kerry should play the devil card. It's them goths who aren't turning out. They are too busy posting pics on Live Journal.
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Old 10-21-04, 07:24 PM   #7
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This was discussed in depth a week or so ago: http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread....hlight=atheist
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Old 10-21-04, 07:25 PM   #8
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Seriously, just how many so-called plans has the senator proposed? I mean the guy had a plan for EVERYTHING but would not reveal them.
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Old 10-21-04, 07:29 PM   #9
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I pointed this out in one of the debate threads and was mocked
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Old 10-21-04, 08:41 PM   #10
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Yes, he's out wearing camo and shooting Geese, professing he's going to carry his faith with him to the White House(glad he probably won't have the chance), and "let it guide" him. He has also said he is the "candidate of Conservative values" and absolutely will not admit to being what he is - a liberal. He is hypersensitive to being called that or even "progressive" or any other similar word.

It is a pretty clear illustration of the times we live in, and how much to the right the country has moved since the Reagan Revolution.

Today only 19% of people describe themselves as "liberal". Over 40% describe themselves as "Conservative".
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Old 10-21-04, 08:47 PM   #11
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Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.
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Old 10-21-04, 09:14 PM   #12
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Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.
I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times. That damn Bush.
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Old 10-21-04, 09:20 PM   #13
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I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times. That damn Bush.
you're lucky. Bush sent the digital brownshirts to my home and forceably baptised me.

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Old 10-21-04, 10:44 PM   #14
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Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.
When has he ever imposed his faith on anyone?? Quit reading talking points from the DNC
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Old 10-21-04, 11:37 PM   #15
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I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times.
I'm pretty sure you are right. I'm an atheist and I think I'd have noticed if I'd been forced to go to church.
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Old 10-22-04, 12:46 AM   #16
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Re: Which candidate just said this?

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So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?
Because one candidate has gone on record as saying, repeatedly, that he can't mandate his personal views for all of America. And the other has tried to do just that.

The issue is not the presence of faith. The issue is what each one does with that faith. And they're pretty goddamn different in that regard.

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Old 10-22-04, 02:23 AM   #17
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There is no difference. If there really is one, it is that one means what he is saying and one doesn't. Because taken at face value, they are saying the same thing.

But just like liberals didn't bitch and whine about Clinton always refering to God, I still believe it is because they don't believe he meant any of it. The man knew how to speak, and that was just part of it.
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Old 10-22-04, 04:32 AM   #18
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Because just like Clinton (who refered to God many more times than Bush does in his speechs) the left knows Kerry really doesn't mean it. He's just "playing to the sticks".
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Old 10-22-04, 09:18 AM   #19
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Just a few of the decisions that Bush has made based either on faith or pandering to the christian right that impose his religious views on american citizens and others.

1. Federal tax dollars going to "faith based initiatives"...whatever the fuck that means...apparently it's open for interpretation.

2. Bible thumping backwoods judges in the federal courts.

3. A constitutional amendment...A FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT...stating that no gay person shall ever have equal rights...ever.

4. Oh, and I almost forgot...a pet crusade (yes, he called it a crusade).

5. "God wanted me to be president right now" or something to that effect.

I'm sure somebody out there can add substantially to this list, and I am confident that Kerry will do none of these things.
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Old 10-22-04, 09:26 AM   #20
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1) it goes to any faiths, not just Christian
2) name some
3) he has no part in the amendment process
4) he used the word, so?
5) he said that? so? how does that change anything?
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Old 10-22-04, 09:27 AM   #21
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Re: Re: Which candidate just said this?

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Because one candidate has gone on record as saying, repeatedly, that he can't mandate his personal views for all of America. And the other has tried to do just that.
wouldn't his faith guiding him mean that whatever he mandates will be his faith?

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And they're pretty goddamn different in that regard.
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Old 10-22-04, 09:30 AM   #22
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Old 10-22-04, 10:16 AM   #23
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1) it goes to any faiths, not just Christian
2) name some
3) he has no part in the amendment process
4) he used the word, so?
5) he said that? so? how does that change anything?
1. First of all, Riiiiiiiiiight. Second of all, I don't want MY tax dollars going to any religious organization.

2. I distinctly recall him nominating some dude from Miss or Ala with a clear agenda to preach from the bench to a district seat. His name won't come to me...looked relatively young. Somebody help me.

3. He is clearly proposing one. Does his removal from the legislative process give him license to say whatever he wants because it doesn't matter? Please.

4. SO???? So, the word "crusade" has a much different connotation in the middle east than it does here, as I'm sure you might imagine. I can't think of a worse thing for a sitting president to say while talking about liberating Iraqis from thier oil.

5. The man believes he has a divine mandate....and you don't see this as a problem?!?!? No matter what conclusion he comes to, it must be right, because Jesus picked him.
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Old 10-22-04, 10:21 AM   #24
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1) there are TONS of things I dont want MY tax dollars to fund, yet they do

3) he has the right to say whatever. Bush is against gay marriage, Kerry is against gay marriage. one might be willing to go further with the law than the other, but both are against it.

4) "liberating Iraqis from thier oil" you can't even discuss this without spouting crap like that?

5) he thinks God put him there. If Kerry wins and he really believes what he says, he'll believe the same thing. That doesn't mean everything he does is right.
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Old 10-22-04, 10:24 AM   #25
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There was already talk about this in the 'athiest' thread from a few days ago where I posted the following:

In debate #3, Kerry was talking about being animated by faith in his public life. He stated, "Everything in my public life is guided by my faith, but I will in no way legislate that article of faith on other people."

Is that not a mutually exclusive statement?
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