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Old 10-05-04, 12:50 PM   #1
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Bush Picture in Classroom causes controversy

Ok, it's probably already here somewhere, but I can't find it.

Any thoughts?

http://www.app.com/app/story/0,21625,1070288,00.html

(re - teacher in trouble for having Bush picture in classroom)
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Old 10-05-04, 12:52 PM   #2
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She can't have a picture of Bush but it's ok for Kerry to visit a school in Iowa yesterday?
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Old 10-05-04, 12:52 PM   #3
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Our sup. has a "God Bless America" sign up in his office.
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Old 10-05-04, 12:54 PM   #4
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stupid school

the pictures were the current and past presidents. where does kerry fit into all this? for all we know he may go the way of mondale
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Old 10-05-04, 12:56 PM   #5
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People that complain about this are the same kind of people that complain that "half the kids don't know who the president is!". As long as Bush is up there with the rest of the presidents, I don't have a problem with it. If his picture is surrounded by a bunch of arrows pointing at him saying "VOTE FOR ME!!!", I have a big problem with that. The classroom is not a place for a teacher to push their political agendas, but putting the current president on a board with all the other presidents is NOT political at all.
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Old 10-05-04, 12:57 PM   #6
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the Principal makes it sound like she was antagonizing students who disagreed with her politically. Of course I've never put too much weight on the political leanings of 7th graders, but that's not the point.

If she was, in fact, badgering and insulting students who were "democrats" then the school can and should fire her.

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Old 10-05-04, 12:58 PM   #7
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District Statement Regarding Bulletin Board at Crossroads Middle School

In an incident that has recently been reported to several media sources, a claim has been made by South Brunswick Middle School teacher Shiba Pillai-Diaz, that she was fired for not removing a picture of President George W. Bush from a classroom bulletin board. The claim is false. While I am normally reluctant to discuss personnel matters in public, Ms. Pillai-Diazı distortions of the facts, along with her aggressive efforts to get herself national media attention, leaves the district no choice but to set the record straight.

The facts are as follows:

Ms. Pillai-Diaz is a new Language Arts teacher in the South Brunswick Schools. Recently, the school administration began receiving complaints from students and parents that Ms. Pillai-Diaz was using her position, classroom and teaching time to engage in partisan politics. Students reported that she had made statements which denigrated one party over the other. The conversations included Ms. Pillai-Diaz telling some students who offered opinions contrary to her statements, that she was ³glad they were not old enough to vote.² Other comments to students, including such statements as, ³you should be ashamed to be a Democrat² have been verified through student interviews.

A classroom bulletin board, normally intended for curriculum-related matters, was set up as what she herself described as a ³personal bulletin board.² On the bulletin board she placed a picture of the President, the President's dog, the Oval Office and several other Presidential artifacts. In addition, she placed a stuffed elephant on a classroom cabinet, which generated student reaction and discussion about partisan politics.

Following receipt of complaints from parents, the Assistant Principal met with Ms. Pillai-Diaz and cautioned her not to engage in partisan political discussions in her Language Arts classes. He did not initially ask her to remove the picture of the President. As the issue grew in intensity, the teacher herself chose to remove the stuffed elephant because of student comments. In the ensuing days, parents expressed increasing concern about the teacher's classroom behavior, the misuse of classroom instructional time and the personal bulletin board. The level of concern resulted in a classroom confrontation between some parents and Ms. Pillai-Diaz at the Back-to-School night program. It was at this point that the school administration decided to intervene again.

On Friday morning, October 1, Ms. Pillai-Diaz was directed by the Assistant Principal to remove bulletin board materials because they were being viewed as contributing to an ongoing disruption of the teaching-learning environment. She refused. She then met with the Principal who repeated the directive. At this point, Ms. Pillai-Diaz abruptly left the building, abandoning her post of duty and her classroom responsibilities.

At no time was she told to leave, asked to leave or given authorization to leave. School was still in session. At no time was she told she was suspended or fired. With professional responsibilities of a classroom teacher waiting, Ms. Pillai-Diaz chose, of her own volition, to walk out of the school, contact various media sources and claim she had been fired.

I had occasion to meet with Ms. Pillai-Diaz, along with a union representative and a police escort that she had requested, for approximately two hours when she returned to the building later that same afternoon. After listening to her story, I asked if any member of the administration had used the phrase "you're fired" or anything that remotely sounded like it. She admitted that no one had used any such language. When I further pursued why she reported to media sources that she had been fired, she said that she "thought" that she had been. I explained that principals cannot fire employees, that only Boards of Education can do so. With her union representative present, she said that she now understood. I asked that when she next spoke with the media, that she clarify her new understanding.

I fully support the actions of the Principal and Assistant Principal. It is never acceptable for a teacher to utilize the classroom to advocate for political purposes or advance personal beliefs. The courts have always admonished teachers for proselytizing in public school classrooms. This issue is not about a picture of the President, but rather a zealous misuse of seventh and eighth grade student instructional time.

The South Brunswick School community is enormously respectful of the Office of the President of the United States, President Bush and the democratic process for choosing our President. Anyone trying to suggest the contrary has the worst of intentions. Under other circumstances, the display of a picture of the President would have been viewed as completely appropriate and uncontroversial. It is important to note that pictures of President Bush are openly displayed in all of the South Brunswick Schools. The teacherıs own actions here, however, took it out of the realm of education and made the presentation appear partisan to many of our students and parents. Under these circumstances, our actions in directing the removal of the display were singularly appropriate.

Gary P. McCartney Ed D.

Superintendent of Schools

South Brunswick School District

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Old 10-05-04, 12:59 PM   #8
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It's worth noting that the school's version of events is that she subjected her students to anti-Democratic Party harangues. If that's the case, then she should go -- proseletyzing for one party or the other has no place in a Middle School Classroom.

But if all she did was having a picture of the President on her classroom wall, then she needs to be given her job back and the administrators who fired her need to be given their own walking papers.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:03 PM   #9
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As with all things - there are two sides to the story - the question of course is which version is true - or actually, more likely, which combination of the two versions is true.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:03 PM   #10
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Old 10-05-04, 01:03 PM   #11
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It's worth noting that the school's version of events is that she subjected her students to anti-Democratic Party harangues. If that's the case, then she should go -- proseletyzing for one party or the other has no place in a Middle School Classroom.

But if all she did was having a picture of the President on her classroom wall, then she needs to be given her job back and the administrators who fired her need to be given their own walking papers.
exactly. Insulting middle schoolers ought to be grounds for dismissal. It sounds like this teacher has got a thing for the Pres

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Old 10-05-04, 01:03 PM   #12
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One of the local school districts here declined an invitation for the school band to play at a Bush rally last week.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:05 PM   #13
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It still doesn't sound like she's fired, and she had to know that when she appeared on the various morning shows, etc.


If she honestly didn't realize she wasn't fired, she's too stupid to teach seventh graders anyway.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:07 PM   #14
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I thought bush was on a board with all the other presidents?
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Old 10-05-04, 01:08 PM   #15
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The problem was never the picture, according to McCartney, ". . . but rather a zealous misuse of seventh and eighth grade student instructional time."

According to his version of events, she once told students she was "glad they were not old enough to vote." She has also been accused of telling a student, "You should be ashamed to be a Democrat."

Pillai-Diaz denied saying anything of the sort. "You would have to be incredibly stupid to say those things to a student," she said, adding "I don't talk politics with the kids."




Where are the students' version of the story.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:08 PM   #16
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I looked everywhere for the footnotes but they were nowhere to be found.
No foot notes. Those are just screwed up curly quotes. Sorry.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:10 PM   #17
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I thought bush was on a board with all the other presidents?
This article posted is a follow up to the origional article which stated that this was the case.
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Old 10-05-04, 01:10 PM   #18
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Old 10-05-04, 01:17 PM   #19
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Here's the origional article http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WAB...olteacher.html ..

From that article..

Parents expressing outrage after a teacher is kicked out of her public school for hanging a picture of President Bush next to pictures of other presidents in her classroom.

Shiba Pillai-Diaz, Teacher: "There was no political intent, nor was there any political content in that photograph nor on the bulletin board."


I inferred from this (and possibly incorrectly - all I had to go on was this article) that she just stuck his picture up there next to the other presidents..
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Old 10-05-04, 01:19 PM   #20
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That's because of separation of state and um.......
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Old 10-05-04, 01:19 PM   #21
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Sounds like this is one of those "He said" "She said" bits where we aren't getting the full story from either side.

Of course, that isn't stopping those in this forum from assuming whose telling the truth based on their own partisan viewpoint.
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I am truthful and right.
That person agrees with me.
Therefore, that person is truthful and right.



What's unclear about that?
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This article posted is a follow up to the origional article which stated that this was the case.
Oh, so the 10 minutes of jabbering by Sean Hannity that I listened to in the car yesterday was factually incorrect? Tell me it isn't so!
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Old 10-05-04, 01:24 PM   #24
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Sounds like this is one of those "He said" "She said" bits where we aren't getting the full story from either side.

Of course, that isn't stopping those in this forum from assuming whose telling the truth based on their own partisan viewpoint.
I thought I was pretty non-partisan...

if it was just Bush's image next to various presidents then that ought to be allowed. If it was Bush's image on it's on board with other White House / Repub paraphenalia than that shouldn't be allowed. Especially if she actually got in arguments with CHILDREN.

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Old 10-05-04, 01:26 PM   #25
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I think the fact that there are other pictures of Bush in the school pretty much leads me to believe the superintendent's side. If all she had done was hang up a picture of Bush, with or without other Presidents, I don't think there would have been an issue.

She is a Language Arts teacher, which I think is what used to be known as English teachers. Maybe she was using the picture as an example of bad grammar? Anyway, she wasn't a history or social studies teacher, so there shouldn't be any mentions of politics in her classroom.
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