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Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
I know this is more of a Tech Talk subject, but I think there are enough political implications that it belongs here.
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Kinda sad that it takes an attack on their own systems to cause this, and not the, you know, requirement that they censor the Internet as a condition of doing business in China. Still, I wonder how much effect this will have -- if they had a way of providing uncensored searches to the Chinese without government permission it might have an impact, but will pulling out change anything? |
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
Very interesting. I am honestly surprised that China has kept their wall up as well as they have while also allowing the capitalism they have. But I still feel that ultimately, that wall will be pulled down.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
It's definitely interesting but not surprising. I wonder what the Chinese government will say: "We would never...", "We were simply investigating...", or "That's right. We did it."
I expect Google to cave in, but I hope they don't. |
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
I agree that Google will probably cave, but the fact that they are publicly criticizing the Chinese government is a nice sign.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
Why is the Chinese government so insecure? Is it just a cultural thing I don't understand?
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
Baidu has been kicking Google's ass in China the whole time anyway.
Google is probably just trying to pull off a PC 'position' and duck out of the market. I bet there have been many attempts at hacking as China has a branch of their military for information warfare, Google is seizing on this one to leave that market is my guess.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
Google.cn has a 30% search marketshare in China to Baidu's 60%. Given that Baidu is openly supported by the Chinese government and is given every advantage, I wouldn't say that Google's been getting its ass kick. It seems to me that they are doing pretty well, all things considered.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
30% doesn't seem like a bad market share. I doubt the Chinese government will tremble in their boots of Google leaves, but that sounds like enough business to get.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
30% in China probably gives them more users than they have in, say France.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
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I thought Australia was into sex no matter who or what age.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
Baidu makes Google its bitch.
Considering Google has ratted out people to the Chinese government before to chase the market share there(although Baidu chumps them out like a bitch at the search game in China), I find Google's sudden 'come to Jesus' about spying/censorship to be questionable.
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
did they really grow a backbone?
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Re: Google Tells China to Take Their Little Red Book and Shove It
I was reading slashdot about this and they mentioned the Rio Tinto case which the WSJ and others had been following.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Tin..._China.2C_2009 Basically, the comments said that Rio Tinto was a small mining company from Australia in tough negotiations with China, then China decided it didn't like being pushed around and arrested the employees, accusing them of bribery. BUt they say making bribes is the only way to do business in China. I think it's that kind of thing that made Google nervous and willing to pull out. |
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