Health care pt5

nemein · 10-27-09, 06:18 AM

continued from Health care pt 4

classicman2 · 10-27-09, 08:30 AM

'This may be our only chance to save our children.'

Taken from Morning Joe show, 10/27/09.

classicman2 · 10-27-09, 08:45 AM

Do you all believe the 'state opt-out' provision will be enough to get he 60 votes?

orangecrush · 10-27-09, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman2

'This may be our only chance to save our children.'

Taken from Morning Joe show, 10/27/09.

Who said that? Also, I am sure they will say the same thing about cap and trade.

Venusian · 10-27-09, 08:52 AM

So if a state opts-out of the public option, do its citizens get to pay lower taxes?

classicman2 · 10-27-09, 09:12 AM

3 Democratic Senators (Landrieu, Lincoln, & Nelson (NE) are going to be watched closely in this debate.

They probably hold the key.

Venusian · 10-27-09, 10:31 AM

Will Snowe go along with a public plan?

Groucho · 10-27-09, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

So if a state opts-out of the public option, do its citizens get to pay lower taxes?

JasonF · 10-27-09, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman2

Do you all believe the 'state opt-out' provision will be enough to get he 60 votes?

Harry Reid obviously does.

I don't know if it will get 60 votes for passage, but I assume Senator Reid has whipped the caucus and believes he will have enough votes for cloture. I hope he's right.

JasonF · 10-27-09, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

Will Snowe go along with a public plan?

She would have gone along with a public-option-with-trigger plan. She's expressed disappointment that Senator Reid went this route instead, but hasn't categorically ruled out voting for cloture or voting for the plan.

wishbone · 10-27-09, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

Will Snowe go along with a public plan?

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Reid said he hoped to eventually win over Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe, the lone Republican to back the Finance Committee bill. Snowe has indicated her preference for a "trigger" provision that would mandate creation of a public health insurance option in the future if specific thresholds for expanded coverage and other changes were not met.

Snowe issued a statement Monday, saying she was "deeply disappointed" with Reid's decision on the public option. She argued that a decision in favor of a trigger "could have been the road toward achieving a broader bipartisan consensus in the Senate."

"It's unfortunate the Senate majority leader decided to take a different path, because he did say it was a pretty good doggone idea with respect to the trigger in September, so I don't what has happened to change his mind," she said later.

"It's regrettable, because I certainly have worked in good faith all of these months on a bipartisan basis and, as you know, have been standing alone at this point as a Republican to do so because I believe in good public policy," Snowe added.

Reid said he was "disappointed that the one issue, the public option, has been something that's frightened" Snowe.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/...are/index.html

As classicman mentioned there are a few senators waiting for specifics of how the "state opt-out" will work. It does not sound like Sen Snowe is on board at the moment.

JasonF · 10-27-09, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

So if a state opts-out of the public option, do its citizens get to pay lower taxes?

Senator Dodd's version of the Public Option was entirely premium-funded beyond a loan from the general treasury to pay for the first three months of operation. We haven't seen the merged bill yet, but it likely will be the same.

X · 10-27-09, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wmansir

Can someone explain exactly what it means under Ried's plan to "opt out" of the public option?

It means Reid is afraid of being defeated for re-election in a state that doesn't want a public option.

classicman2 · 10-27-09, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

Harry Reid obviously does.

I don't know if it will get 60 votes for passage, but I assume Senator Reid has whipped the caucus and believes he will have enough votes for cloture. I hope he's right.

I believe Reid feels he is in a position where he has to call up the 'compromise.' Whether he really believes he has the 60 votes, I don't know. I do know he has called up measures in the past when he didn't have the votes; but, merely because of pressure from his caucus.

rw2516 · 10-27-09, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

So if a state opts-out of the public option, do its citizens get to pay lower taxes?

Sure, just like citizens of states where there are no hurricanes, earthquakes or a primary river flood plain get to pay less taxes because they don't use as much, if any FEMA money.

kvrdave · 10-27-09, 12:12 PM

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Sure, just like citizens of states where there are no hurricanes, earthquakes or a primary river flood plain get to pay less taxes because they don't use as much, if any FEMA money.

Ranger · 10-27-09, 12:59 PM

I hope they at least get the health benefits tax through. The unions not supporting it has made it incredibly easy for me to support it.

But I suppose loopholes will be made just for them.

kvrdave · 10-27-09, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranger

I hope they at least get the health benefits tax through. The unions not supporting it has made it incredibly easy for me to support it.

But I suppose loopholes will be made just for them.

Agreed. It will severely piss me off if they give them a loophole. I want the unions to have to deal with the monster they helped create.

X · 10-27-09, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Agreed. It will severely piss me off if they give them a loophole. I want the unions to have to deal with the monster they helped create.

Dreams never die, do they? And that's just what that is. Just like tort reform.

Not to mention that in a few years everyone's health benefits amount will rise to the point where they all are taxed.

orangecrush · 10-27-09, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

Senator Dodd's version of the Public Option was entirely premium-funded beyond a loan from the general treasury to pay for the first three months of operation. We haven't seen the merged bill yet, but it likely will be the same.

That didn't work out too well for Florida with homeowners insurance. They ended up taxing ALL insurance policies 1% to make up for their losses because they didn't want to raise rates.

X · 10-27-09, 02:35 PM

Looks like the public option just lost Lieberman.

He, Snowe, and others are probably just positioning themselves for accepting a trigger which will inevitably just make the public option occur a couple years later while providing political cover.

Venusian · 10-27-09, 02:53 PM

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Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Tuesday that while he won't vote to block Majority Leader Harry Reid's plan from going to the Senate floor for debate, he would ultimately oppose the measure because it includes a public option.

As long as he'll vote for cloture, Reid should be okay.

kvrdave · 10-27-09, 02:57 PM

That's stupid of him. He knows that anything that gets to the floor will pass, so if you oppose it, the only time to do it which makes sense is the cloture vote.

classicman2 · 10-27-09, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

As long as he'll vote for cloture, Reid should be okay.

How do you reach that conclusion?

Venusian · 10-27-09, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman2

How do you reach that conclusion?

I could be wrong but I thought he had well over 50 votes for the bill and the problem was getting 60 for cloture. Is that not the case?

10-27-09, 06:18 AM	#1
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10-27-09, 08:30 AM	#2
classicman2 DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 59,836	Re: Health care pt5 'This may be our only chance to save our children.' Taken from Morning Joe show, 10/27/09.

10-27-09, 08:45 AM	#3
classicman2 DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 59,836	Re: Health care pt5 Do you all believe the 'state opt-out' provision will be enough to get he 60 votes?

10-27-09, 08:52 AM	#5
Venusian Moderator Join Date: Nov 1999 Posts: 34,634	Re: Health care pt5 So if a state opts-out of the public option, do its citizens get to pay lower taxes?

10-27-09, 09:12 AM	#6
classicman2 DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 59,836	Re: Health care pt5 3 Democratic Senators (Landrieu, Lincoln, & Nelson (NE) are going to be watched closely in this debate. They probably hold the key.

10-27-09, 10:31 AM	#7
Venusian Moderator Join Date: Nov 1999 Posts: 34,634	Re: Health care pt5 Will Snowe go along with a public plan?

10-27-09, 12:59 PM	#17
Ranger DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 15,843	Re: Health care pt5 I hope they at least get the health benefits tax through. The unions not supporting it has made it incredibly easy for me to support it. But I suppose loopholes will be made just for them.

10-27-09, 02:35 PM	#21
X Administrator Join Date: Oct 1987 Posts: 5,486	Re: Health care pt5 Looks like the public option just lost Lieberman. He, Snowe, and others are probably just positioning themselves for accepting a trigger which will inevitably just make the public option occur a couple years later while providing political cover.

10-27-09, 02:57 PM	#23
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 66,693	Re: Health care pt5 That's stupid of him. He knows that anything that gets to the floor will pass, so if you oppose it, the only time to do it which makes sense is the cloture vote. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis