Health care pt5

[classicman2]

People on Medicare - with Medicare Advantage - should be worried about this plan.

[BKenn01]

Originally Posted by classicman2

People on Medicare - with Medicare Advantage - should be worried about this plan.

C-man, everyone should be worried about this plan.

[kvrdave]

Originally Posted by JasonF

The CBO?

The CBO has said that the things required to get this to only cost 1.2 TRILLION won't ever happen.

[X]

I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.

President Obama is going up to Capitol Hill with coattails after last Tuesday that look like GWB's in 2006.

And after today's 10.2 unemployment figure, what is he going to promise the reticent congresscritters? Another stimulus bridge? Their own czar for their district? Not campaign against them in the 2010 election?

Then he's off to Asia.

[gmanca]

Two gubernatorial losses barely have the resemblance, let alone the impact, of both chambers of Congress switching parties.

[classicman2]

I'm beginning to see the need for health care reform.

I had a total knee replacement one month ago.

The bills I've already received (and that's not all of them) total about $60,000.

Damn - makes one glad that he's got insurance.

[BKenn01]

Originally Posted by classicman2

I'm beginning to see the need for health care reform.

I had a total knee replacement one month ago.

The bills I've already received (and that's not all of them) total about $60,000.

Damn - makes one glad that he's got insurance.

I dont think anyone argues the need for health care reform. The problem is what that (current) reform is.......

[tommy28]

"""Republicans offered an alternative"""


Seems to me about 8 years to late....

[DGibFen]

Vote is on. Dems say that have 224 yea votes.

It's passing, but at the bare minimum it needs to win, it looks like. 218-214 right now.

Final vote: 220-215. 1 Republican voted yes, 39 Dems voted no. Now it has to magically pass Senate.

To be fair, the Republican (Joseph Cao - LA) didn't vote until after vote #218 had passed.

[coli]

I am in shock the dems are doing this, as there is going to be a backlash like no other. It is only the House version and it still has to go the Senate, but to have a vote on a Saturday night is pretty pathetic. I thought the Republicans would probably win 3-4 senate seats and 20 house seats in 2010, if they ram through this healthcare bill, you will see a change in congress, because every democrat in a red district is going to get voted out.

[kenbuzz]

It passed the house 220-215. All but 1 Republican voted against it. Joseph Cao (R-LA) was the only Republican to cross the aisle and vote in favor. The dems voted 219-39 in favor - a LOT closer than they thought it would be.

There are going to be a lot of representatives personally responsible for this bill's passage if it makes it out of the Senate and becomes law.

[Ranger]

The anti-abortion amendment passed 240-194. No elective abortions but would be ok in case of rape, incest, and life of mother in danger. Surprised vote was still that close.

So the big healthcare bill should now get more support from some Dems.

So, c-man how's the knee? My uncle had the knee replacement done last year and he still has some pain.

[dork]

Historic Health Care Bill Passes with Bipartisan Support!

[birdseye]

The Stupak-Pitts anti-abortion amendment gave the blue dogs cover to vote for the bill, but the Dems wouldn't guarantee it would survive the conference committee. Which means it probably won't.

[Ranger]

Originally Posted by kenbuzz

It passed the house 220-215. All but 1 Republican voted against it. Joseph Cao (R-LA) was the only Republican to cross the aisle and vote in favor. The dems voted 219-39 in favor - a LOT closer than they thought it would be.

There are going to be a lot of representatives personally responsible for this bill's passage if it makes it out of the Senate and becomes law.

Wow, they voted on that already. Just a minute ago they were voting on the abortion amendment.

They're working so hard today.

[coli]

I am a from a district where one of the blue dogs (John Adler, Democrat - NJ) voted against it, so I guess now I must focus on my two liberal senators (Lautenberg and Mendendez).

I went to 2 town hall meetings with Adler and the first one back in early August, he was on the fence, and the turnout that day was about 95% against it. The next week Adler was defiant that he wouldn't vote for the bill, almost sounding like a republican that day as he said, "I am going to do anything I can to make sure this doesn't pass!" I swear those are the exact words he said.

As for my 2 Senators from NJ, they are so damn liberal, I will send my emails to them to urge them to vote against, but I guarantee they vote for. There is only so much I can do at this point.

[kvrdave]

Originally Posted by dork

Historic Health Care Bill Passes with Bipartisan Support!

[Rypro 525]

anyone else watching Geraldo? It seems like he's reading Obama's repsonse with a 'this is bullshit' type tone

[Numanoid]

Originally Posted by classicman2

I'm beginning to see the need for health care reform.

I had a total knee replacement one month ago.

The bills I've already received (and that's not all of them) total about $60,000.

Damn - makes one glad that he's got insurance.

The one thing I've noticed during this debate is that it's the people WITH health care that are against health care for all. Amazing on its face.

[DAC]

Originally Posted by Numanoid

The one thing I've noticed during this debate is that it's the people WITH health care that are against health care for all. Amazing on its face.

It's because those with health care are going to end up with worse health care once the govt takes over.

[dork]

Originally Posted by Numanoid

The one thing I've noticed during this debate is that it's the people WITH health care that are against health care for all. Amazing on its face.

True, the people who stand to benefit do seem pretty supportive.

[BKenn01]

Originally Posted by DAC

It's because those with health care are going to end up with worse health care once the govt takes over.

and more expensive......

[JasonF]

Originally Posted by kenbuzz

It passed the house 220-215. All but 1 Republican voted against it. Joseph Cao (R-LA) was the only Republican to cross the aisle and vote in favor. The dems voted 219-39 in favor - a LOT closer than they thought it would be.

Do you really think the Democratic leaqdership can't count to 218? They knew how many votes they needed. They chose to free people in vulnerable districts to vote No, but don't think they couldn't have moved those people over to the yes column if they needed to.

They also freed Rep. Kucinich to vote No (and maybe others on the left -- I haven't gone through the roll call Representative by Representative to figure out who is where), and they did that for a reason too. As much as people on the right want to bellyache about this bill, let's remember that it's nowhere close to what the left wants either.

[coli]

Originally Posted by Numanoid

The one thing I've noticed during this debate is that it's the people WITH health care that are against health care for all. Amazing on its face.

As a small business owner, I have great healthcare, but I am for reform. Just not THIS reform.

Two of the biggest problems with Healthcare:

1. I cannot shop out of state for the 1,200 healthcare plans that are offered across the country. Being in NJ, I am forced to choose from a few plans(5 to 6) for my employees and myself in NJ only, so essentially that creates less competition. More competition = lower prices.

2. Tort Reform: Most doctors have to pay huge amounts a year for medical malpractice insurance just to ensure they keep their practice against lawsuits. Do you know who foots the bill for that? The consumer, but the democrats have the trial lawyers in their corner, so there was NO tort reform in the house bill last night.

The Healthcare system does need fixing in this country, but you don't change it for the worse, by creating 'the public option' and essentially put 35 million people on the payroll in which somebody has to pay for it?? You know who that is? The American Taxpayer, yet we are already running a 1.2 trillion deficit this year, with a National Debt of around 10 trillion.

Wish I could spend more every year then my net takehome pay! Only in Washington can they pull this shit

[classicman2]

Originally Posted by Numanoid

The one thing I've noticed during this debate is that it's the people WITH health care that are against health care for all. Amazing on its face.

None of the bills being considered offer health care for all.

I'm for it. Show me how to fund it.