W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox - Page 3

Sean O'Hara · 10-22-09, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Considering the numbers the others get, it matters. If it didn't, The Obama wouldn't mention it.

If you go to the site, you can see the actual ratings and numbers. Fox actually has 12 of the top 13. You know what beats Olbermann out? The repeats of The O'Reilly Factor from 11pm to midnight.

And Red Eye beats everything MSNBC shows before Hardball.

Think about that -- Morning Joe gets beat by a show that comes on at 2 AM.

wm lopez · 10-22-09, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara

The guy who agrees with the last two Republican Presidential candidates about immigration is a liberal?

McCain is liberal.
Remember Rush said he would vote for Hillary instead of McCain.
And Glenn Beck said things would be worse with McCain in office than Obama.

brayzie · 10-22-09, 01:50 AM

I think it's interesting that they brought up the ACORN story. That IS news. I have to wonder if a similar story that implicated an organization with conservative ties would be downplayed like that.

Me personally, I'm kind of surprised at what I've seen at FOX and MSNBC.

I think both FOX and MSNBC are biased and try to promote an agenda. But I don't believe that an administration should be trying to isolate one, the other or both. Shouldn't it be up to the people to decide what's a legitimate news organization and what's not? What does that say about American journalism if the White House feels the need to tell them what to think, what to report?

Hank Ringworm · 10-22-09, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara

And Red Eye beats everything MSNBC shows before Hardball.

Think about that -- Morning Joe gets beat by a show that comes on at 2 AM.

3 AM, actually.

Hokeyboy · 10-22-09, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wm lopez

If the voters by and large agree with Obama than how can FOXNEWS be number one instead of MSNBC?

Because emotional cripples constantly require reinforcement of their insecurities, whereas everyone else has actual lives?

cpgator · 10-22-09, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy

Because emotional cripples constantly require reinforcement of their insecurities, whereas everyone else has actual lives?

Why would someone even want reinforcement of their insecurities?

Dr Mabuse · 10-22-09, 11:59 AM

You know Nixon did this, putting certain media outlets on his 'enemy' list and stuff.

Somehow it's not surprising that a Chicago politician who lined his administration with Emanuel and etc. would engage in the same.

kvrdave · 10-22-09, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brayzie

I think both FOX and MSNBC are biased and try to promote an agenda. But I don't believe that an administration should be trying to isolate one, the other or both. Shouldn't it be up to the people to decide what's a legitimate news organization and what's not? What does that say about American journalism if the White House feels the need to tell them what to think, what to report?

Obama has shown a lot of naivete. A shocking amount, quite frankly. He acts as though it is a sin to disagree with him and to have different opinions, even from those he should expect to. I think he is a product of the Chicago political system and figured that the White House was probably the same way and was a bit surprised that it wasn't.

kvrdave · 10-22-09, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy

Because emotional cripples constantly require reinforcement of their insecurities, whereas everyone else has actual lives?

More likely, conservatives and moderates find they are better off with radio and Fox rather than going to the newspapers, network news, etc.

And liberals have never had lives. They are busy protesting, drinking the bong water, and breaking the law when it suits their ideology.

classicman2 · 10-22-09, 12:09 PM

Bob Beckel, long time Democratic strategist, said that he had done polling that showed 50% of Fox's viewers were either Independents or Democrats.

JasonF · 10-22-09, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Obama has shown a lot of naivete. A shocking amount, quite frankly. He acts as though it is a sin to disagree with him and to have different opinions, even from those he should expect to. I think he is a product of the Chicago political system and figured that the White House was probably the same way and was a bit surprised that it wasn't.

You really don't know anything about Chicago politics, do you?

mosquitobite · 10-22-09, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

You really don't know anything about Chicago politics, do you?

Do you?

All I know is one can go from community organizer to Senate to President in less than a decade!

Why Is Chicago So Corrupt? - Slate

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Bonus Explainer: How do we know that Chicago's so corrupt? The most straightforward way to measure corruption is to check the number of convicted local officials. Between 1995 and 2004, 469 politicians from the federal district of Northern Illinois were found guilty of corruption. The only districts with higher tallies were central California (which includes L.A.), and southern Florida (which includes Miami). Eastern Louisiana (and New Orleans) rank somewhat further down the list.

kvrdave · 10-22-09, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

You really don't know anything about Chicago politics, do you?

I've seen movies. Call movies or TV a liar, and I will punch you in the throat.

JasonF · 10-22-09, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mosquitobite

Do you?

All I know is one can go from community organizer to Senate to President in less than a decade!

Why Is Chicago So Corrupt? - Slate

I was speaking not about corruption, but about the idea that President Obama is a product of the Chicago machine (he's not), or the idea that machine politicians are unused to criticism from the press (the press criticizes Mayor Daley all the time).

JasonF · 10-22-09, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

I've seen movies. Call movies or TV a liar, and I will punch you in the throat.

Olberman and Maddow are on TV, therefore you agree with me that they tell the truth. Checkmate!

Dr Mabuse · 10-22-09, 01:26 PM

Anyone read about David Cross doing coke while at a White House dinner?

Not sure if this is the right thread, but it had WH in the title so what the hell...

wildcatlh · 10-22-09, 01:42 PM

Exchange between Jake Tapper of ABC News and WH Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on Tuesday. Other news organizations seem to be seeing this "WH vs. FOX" thing for what it is.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...-10202009.html

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Tapper: It’s escaped none of our notice that the White House has decided in the last few weeks to declare one of our sister organizations “not a news organization” and to tell the rest of us not to treat them like a news organization. Can you explain why it’s appropriate for the White House to decide that a news organization is not one –

(Crosstalk)

Gibbs: Jake, we render, we render an opinion based on some of their coverage and the fairness that, the fairness of that coverage.

Tapper: But that’s a pretty sweeping declaration that they are “not a news organization.” How are they any different from, say –

Gibbs: ABC -

Tapper: ABC. MSNBC. Univision. I mean how are they any different?

Gibbs: You and I should watch sometime around 9 o’clock tonight. Or 5 o’clock this afternoon.

Tapper: I’m not talking about their opinion programming or issues you have with certain reports. I’m talking about saying thousands of individuals who work for a media organization, do not work for a “news organization” -- why is that appropriate for the White House to say?

Gibbs: That’s our opinion.

mosquitobite · 10-22-09, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wildcatlh

Exchange between Jake Tapper of ABC News and WH Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on Tuesday. Other news organizations seem to be seeing this "WH vs. FOX" thing for what it is.

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Originally Posted by BKenn01

As for the other networks, I saw Brit Hume on Oreilly the other night and he pointed out the other networks arent happy about this because its like the White House is labeling all the them as good little lap dogs and no journalist wants that.

Maybe seeing Glenn Beck make fun of them for being pathetic watch dogs hit a little too close to home?

Hokeyboy · 10-22-09, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cpgator

Why would someone even want reinforcement of their insecurities?

Are you kidding? Play upon the fears and insecurities of anyone, and you'll have a devotee for life. Like feeding a stray.

Hokeyboy · 10-22-09, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

And liberals have never had lives. They are busy protesting, drinking the bong water, and breaking the law when it suits their ideology.

Dude that's everyone on the planet...

creekdipper · 10-22-09, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy

Because emotional cripples constantly require reinforcement of their insecurities, whereas everyone else has actual lives?

If they received reinforcement of their insecurities, wouldn't that tend to make them feel more secure?

CRM114 · 10-22-09, 02:09 PM

Does the President of ABC News tell Jake Tapper what ABC News' (and thus Jake Tapper's) position on the war is?

Did the President of ABC News give political advice to the President regarding the war in Iraq?

Bluelitespecial · 10-22-09, 02:12 PM

Does the white house not see that the war of words against fox news, is also insulting the viewers that watch it.

CRM114 · 10-22-09, 02:14 PM

You mean the ones who wouldn't vote for Obama in any scenario?

Bluelitespecial · 10-22-09, 02:17 PM

^^^The 50% of viewers who are Democratic or independent, as well as republicans.

10-22-09, 01:50 AM	#53
brayzie Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 121	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox I think it's interesting that they brought up the ACORN story. That IS news. I have to wonder if a similar story that implicated an organization with conservative ties would be downplayed like that. Me personally, I'm kind of surprised at what I've seen at FOX and MSNBC. I think both FOX and MSNBC are biased and try to promote an agenda. But I don't believe that an administration should be trying to isolate one, the other or both. Shouldn't it be up to the people to decide what's a legitimate news organization and what's not? What does that say about American journalism if the White House feels the need to tell them what to think, what to report? Last edited by brayzie; 10-22-09 at 02:07 AM.

10-22-09, 11:59 AM	#57
Dr Mabuse DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge... Posts: 8,737	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox You know Nixon did this, putting certain media outlets on his 'enemy' list and stuff. Somehow it's not surprising that a Chicago politician who lined his administration with Emanuel and etc. would engage in the same. __________________ "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." - Samuel Johnson "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell

10-22-09, 12:09 PM	#60
classicman2 DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 59,840	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Bob Beckel, long time Democratic strategist, said that he had done polling that showed 50% of Fox's viewers were either Independents or Democrats.

10-22-09, 01:26 PM	#66
Dr Mabuse DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 75 clicks above the Do Lung bridge... Posts: 8,737	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Anyone read about David Cross doing coke while at a White House dinner? Not sure if this is the right thread, but it had WH in the title so what the hell... __________________ "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." - Samuel Johnson "Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do." - Bertrand Russell

10-22-09, 02:09 PM	#72
CRM114 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lehigh Valley Posts: 21,985	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Does the President of ABC News tell Jake Tapper what ABC News' (and thus Jake Tapper's) position on the war is? Did the President of ABC News give political advice to the President regarding the war in Iraq? Last edited by CRM114; 10-22-09 at 02:12 PM.

10-22-09, 02:12 PM	#73
Bluelitespecial DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,528	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Does the white house not see that the war of words against fox news, is also insulting the viewers that watch it.

10-22-09, 02:14 PM	#74
CRM114 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lehigh Valley Posts: 21,985	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox You mean the ones who wouldn't vote for Obama in any scenario?

10-22-09, 02:17 PM	#75
Bluelitespecial DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,528	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox ^^^The 50% of viewers who are Democratic or independent, as well as republicans.