W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox - Page 2

CRM114 · 10-21-09, 02:51 PM

Thus the 4th and 5th paragraph in the story.

nemein · 10-21-09, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Venusian

You think the ACORN stuff was nonsense?

CNN and others covered it so it wasn't only Fox who thought it wasn't marginal

But they were just unwillingly dragged into the story

Venusian · 10-21-09, 03:04 PM

I actually saw it on the web first. I don't watch tv news much but I saw a blurb about it on CNN one day. Don't watch Fox News at all so don't know what they showed.

When you have 24 hour news networks, I think there is plenty of time for them to mention scandal an influential organization like ACORN is involved in.

dork · 10-21-09, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

Just watching the network and knowing this information, one can surmise that the network is driven by a certain ideology. MSNBC has Scarborough. CNN has Dobbs. Fox has....a singular position which is dictated to them by management. It scares me that some cannot SEE this.

That's an excellent point. You'd better hold on to Scarborough, MSNBC -- or the White House will go after you too!

kvrdave · 10-21-09, 03:15 PM

Before we get state controlled media, we first have to see how the populace responds to state approved media.

RoyalTea · 10-21-09, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

Just watching the network and knowing this information, one can surmise that the network is driven by a certain ideology. MSNBC has Scarborough. CNN has Dobbs. Fox has....a singular position which is dictated to them by management. It scares me that some cannot SEE this.

If Fox News had a one hour show with a liberal commentator, do you think that the ratings that show would generate would make it worth Fox's time?

mosquitobite · 10-21-09, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Before we get state controlled media, we first have to see how the populace responds to state approved media.

EXACTLY!

I can't believe people can't see that!

JasonF · 10-21-09, 04:44 PM

The White House criticizing the press is absolutely unprecedented. Truly, this is the begining of the dictatorship.

tommyp007 · 10-21-09, 04:48 PM

Dana Perino may have the IQ of an ice cube, but she's pretty hot!

JasonF · 10-21-09, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyp007

Dana Perino may have the IQ of an ice cube, but she's pretty hot!

I do agree that she is America's Sexiest Ever White House Press Secretary (sorry, Joe Lockhart fans).

sracer · 10-21-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

The White House criticizing the press is absolutely unprecedented. Truly, this is the begining of the dictatorship.

Where's the part where Perino claims that NBC is not a legitimate news outlet? Your inability to differentiate between what the Obama administration is doing with Fox News and Bush admin did with NBC explains a lot.

classicman2 · 10-21-09, 05:46 PM

Scarborough is not on air many times. When he is, the show is dominated by views from the left,

I would be interested in seeing how many conservative, Republican guests that MSNBC has on during the day compared with the number of liberal, Democratic guests that Fox has on during the day. That obiously includes the evening also.

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Where's the part where Perino claims that NBC is not a legitimate news outlet? Your inability to differentiate between what the Obama administration is doing with Fox News and Bush admin did with NBC explains a lot.

Rockmjd23 · 10-21-09, 07:18 PM

Ah, the old "but Bush did it too!"

wm lopez · 10-21-09, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa

I don't think it's as big a deal as people are making it out to be. Obama voters by and large agree with the administration's stance, and most won't care if they're even aware of the 'controversy' to begin with. Meanwhile, most Fox News devotees that might care about this despise Obama regardless.

I personally think it would be best if the administration didn't do this sort of thing, but I don't think it's very damaging politically.

If the voters by and large agree with Obama than how can FOXNEWS be number one instead of MSNBC?

wm lopez · 10-21-09, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTea

If Fox News had a one hour show with a liberal commentator, do you think that the ratings that show would generate would make it worth Fox's time?

Geraldo Rivera is a liberal. He is for the illegals if you remember when he and O'Reilly butted heads on t.v. that made news. Greta is not a conservative. Colmes is a liberal, Juan Williams is a liberal.

Sean O'Hara · 10-21-09, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigDave

Tucker didn't come in until Summer 2005. They brought in Michael Savage for a few months in 2003.

Not only that, but Tucker was against the war.

Sean O'Hara · 10-21-09, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wm lopez

Geraldo Rivera is a liberal. He is for the illegals if you remember when he and O'Reilly butted heads on t.v. that made news.

The guy who agrees with the last two Republican Presidential candidates about immigration is a liberal?

BKenn01 · 10-21-09, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CRM114

They have a point on the ACORN nonsense. Either all of the media besides Fox is in on the vast left-wing conspiracy (which is laughable given the corporate media) or the editors and producers all over the country felt it was a marginal story at best.

They are pissed because their little vote stealers got caught.

As for the other networks, I saw Brit Hume on Oreilly the other night and he pointed out the other networks arent happy about this because its like the White House is labeling all the them as good little lap dogs and no journalist wants that.

kvrdave · 10-21-09, 08:20 PM

But they work so hard for the title. Must be some serious inner conflicts for them.

slop101 · 10-21-09, 09:56 PM

Does any of this really matter? To any one (other than Fox News)? At all?
Some perspective: Fox news has about 3-4 million viewers. There are over 307 million people in this country. I think it matters a lot less than it's being given coverage for.

TheBigDave · 10-21-09, 10:03 PM

Of course, the White House has no problem with Olbermann and Maddow's style of journalism.

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Maddow/Olbermann Invited to White House Chat with Obama, But Fox Isn't a News Organization?

Here's a curious turn in the White House vs. Fox News fight.

On Monday, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were among several people who attended an off-the-record briefing with Pres. Obama at the White House. Sources tell us other attendees at the two-and-a-half hour chat included Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post, Maureen Dowd of the New York Times, Gwen Ifill of PBS and Gloria Borger of CNN. Perhaps not surprisingly, no one from Fox News was in the room.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/...ion_140839.asp

Nugent · 10-21-09, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBigDave

Of course, the White House has no problem with Olbermann and Maddow's style of journalism.

The Whitehouse has to keep the lackeys down on the farm.

orangecrush · 10-21-09, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF

I do agree that she is America's Sexiest Ever White House Press Secretary (sorry, Joe Lockhart fans).

I agree. Sometimes I wish I had cable.

DeputyDave · 10-21-09, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara

The guy who agrees with the last two Republican Presidential candidates about immigration is a liberal?

Yes, which goes to show you that the last two Republican candidates were not conservatives. That is part of the reason we are in this mess.

kvrdave · 10-22-09, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101

Does any of this really matter? To any one (other than Fox News)? At all?
Some perspective: Fox news has about 3-4 million viewers. There are over 307 million people in this country. I think it matters a lot less than it's being given coverage for.

Considering the numbers the others get, it matters. If it didn't, The Obama wouldn't mention it.

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Fox News has pulled off another dominant quarter, claiming the top 10 cable news programs in 3Q 2009 and growing against 3Q 2008, while CNN and MSNBC lost substantial portions of their election-boom audience.

Fox News averaged 2.25 million total viewers in prime time for the third quarter, up 2% over the previous year. That's more than CNN (946,000, down 30%) and MSNBC (788,000, down 10%) combined.

"The O'Reilly Factor" led all cable news programs with an average of 3.295 million total viewers for the quarter, up 12% over the previous year. "Hannity" (2.603 million, up 9%), "Glenn Beck" (2.403 million, up 89%), "On the Record with Greta van Susteren" (2.150 million, up 16%), and "Special Report with Bret Baier" (1.997 million, up 20%) rounded out the top five.

Meanwhile, flagship programs at MSNBC and CNN did not sustain their growth from 3Q 2008: At MSNBC, "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" averaged 1.087 million total viewers, down 12% from the previous year and "The Rachel Maddow Show" averaged 996,000 total viewers (Maddow began the program in September 2008, so a comparison for the quarter would be inaccurate; compared to September 2008, though, Maddow's September 2009 total viewer average is down 40%). At CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" averaged 1.005 million viewers, down 17% from the previous year and "Lou Dobbs" averaged 658,000 total viewers, down 24%. Larry King and Campbell Brown were both down just slightly in total viewers.

CNN in particular had a rough quarter in the primetime Adults 25-54 demo: the network dropped 39% compared to 3Q 2008, averaging 287,000 viewers.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_304260.html

If you go to the site, you can see the actual ratings and numbers. Fox actually has 12 of the top 13. You know what beats Olbermann out? The repeats of The O'Reilly Factor from 11pm to midnight.

10-21-09, 02:51 PM	#26
CRM114 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lehigh Valley Posts: 21,985	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Thus the 4th and 5th paragraph in the story.

10-21-09, 03:04 PM	#28
Venusian Moderator Join Date: Nov 1999 Posts: 34,634	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox I actually saw it on the web first. I don't watch tv news much but I saw a blurb about it on CNN one day. Don't watch Fox News at all so don't know what they showed. When you have 24 hour news networks, I think there is plenty of time for them to mention scandal an influential organization like ACORN is involved in.

10-21-09, 03:15 PM	#30
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 66,694	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Before we get state controlled media, we first have to see how the populace responds to state approved media. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

10-21-09, 04:44 PM	#33
JasonF DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 24,022	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox The White House criticizing the press is absolutely unprecedented. Truly, this is the begining of the dictatorship. __________________ These are my DVDs ۞ GamerTag: William T Bunny Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.

10-21-09, 04:48 PM	#34
tommyp007 DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 2,776	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Dana Perino may have the IQ of an ice cube, but she's pretty hot! __________________ I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Weird, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in." Homer Simpson Where The Paycheck Goes

10-21-09, 07:18 PM	#38
Rockmjd23 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: MA Posts: 14,352	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Ah, the old "but Bush did it too!"

10-21-09, 08:20 PM	#44
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 66,694	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox But they work so hard for the title. Must be some serious inner conflicts for them. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

10-21-09, 09:56 PM	#45
slop101 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: in your mind Posts: 11,925	Re: W.H.: Media shouldn't follow Fox Does any of this really matter? To any one (other than Fox News)? At all? Some perspective: Fox news has about 3-4 million viewers. There are over 307 million people in this country. I think it matters a lot less than it's being given coverage for.