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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
movielib, any thoughts on Krugman's latest article?
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Why would anyone pay any attention to what Paul Krugman says on the subject?
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
I read that ridiculous piece yesterday. "Treason against the planet."
And then he has the gall to criticize hyperbole at the end of the piece.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Co-author of suppressed EPA report appears on Fox News.
Carlin is obviously unaccustomed to public speaking. But he did a decent job. The not too bright Steve Doocy twice called him a scientist but he is an economist (but does have an undergraduate degree in physics). I suspect Carlin either didn't catch that or was too polite to correct him. He seemed very nervous. He was very careful not to overstate the situation although it seemed he was being prodded to do so.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
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Finally, with thanks to Stephen Milloy of junkscience.com, here is the link to the full 1428 page bill: http://greenhellblog.files.wordpress...r2454final.pdf Two weeks ago this bill was 946 pages long which already seemed insane. It grew another 50%! I don't listen to Rush that much but I caught a little of his show today. He was saying anyone who would vote for this bill must be insane. I can't disagree. Change the name from the House Chamber to the House Asylum.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Dick Morris just stated that he knows global warming does exist, and he believes that 1/3+ is caused my man.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
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Now that's scientific precision.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Has this guy ever been right - except when he advised Clinton not to fess up?
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Democratic WV senators not too keen on ration 'n' tax.
http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/200906290584 Quote:
It is somewhat reassuring that even after the House deals, WV's Democratic reps still voted against it. Let's hope Byrd and Rockefeller have such resolve. Let's also hope some other Democratic senators from coal, manufacturing and agricultural states stand up to one of the worst pieces of legislation in the country's history. I don't have much confidence that my two - Kohl and Feingold - are very likely to vote against it.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Mine are for it, and my governor is trying to do the same on the state level. Even my largely dem legislature won't do it, so she is trying to do executive orders to force it.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Warner and Webb are my Senators and they don't exactly embrace hippy-type stuff, so maybe one or both of will see this crap for what it is.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
This is the kind of deal which was inserted into the ration 'n' tax bill to get it passed:
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...-climate-bill/ Quote:
Few of the reps had any idea what was in this bill, other than their own deals, if they were smart enough to have been against the bill before they were for it. From what I can gather, the complete bill wasn't even posted on the internet until yesterday, four days after the vote.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
New poll says Americans not much in line with ration'n'tax.
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Even the much (justly) maligned CBO study said the bill would raise energy costs by $175 per family annually. That knocks out almost all the rest of the support right there. But the CBO study way underestimates this bill's cost. See: http://www.heritage.org/Research/ene...ent/wm2503.cfm If the American people understood this bill, no one would be left who supported it except Al Gore. He doesn't care how much more his energy costs go up because he has already made $100 million from his global warming empire and will make much more with his offset business. And anyway, he already spends twenty times what we do for energy (but that's OK since he buys offsets from himself).
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
(See: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part VI)
More on cosmic rays: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/0...e-end-is-near/ Quote:
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Worst piece of legislation in US history?
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Not being (strictly speaking) a scientist only counts when he or she is a skeptic.
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com...FlYzcxNTZkYjQ= Quote:
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
That's a lot of info. I just wondder if it will ever be sunny and warm in New York again...
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
The hurricane season is one month in and not even a single named storm yet (and nowadays, just about any little ripple in the Atlantic gets named). It's actually pretty rare to have nothing at all in June That doesn't mean it will be a mild season (although forecasts are universally pretty moderate this year). But remember some of those other years (especially post-Katrina) where those early little ripples get huge press? Have you seen anyone comment on the uncharacteristic lack of anything so far this year? No, I didn't think so.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
Since this isn't a counter coup in Honduras, we shouldn't be hasty. We'll have to see how this plays out.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
New cosmic ray paper by Henrik Svensmark et al.:
http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/...ls-and-clouds/ Quote:
This shows a clear correlation (not necessarily cause and effect but such a strong correlation is quite suggestive, I think) between Forbush events which drastically suppress cosmic rays and a reduction of water content and aerosol particles in the oceanic atmosphere which means fewer clouds. While this, of course, requires further study, I don't know how the alarmists can keep ignoring the cosmic ray theory which keeps piling up evidence to the point of bashing them over the head with a two-by-four. I have no doubt this study will, as always, be ignored. And guess what else? This study, as is Svensmark's wont, is based on observations or experiments in the real world (the former, in this case), as opposed to the alarmists whose studies typically are based on models of their wishful thinking virtual world. As always with the alarmists, if the real world and the virtual world clash, it is the real world which must not be real. Unfortunately, at this time the full paper was not available except to AGU members at the GRL site: http://www.agu.org/journals/gl/papersinpress.shtml http://www.agu.org/login/
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
uestion: What do you call 50 reasons to be against Waxman-Markey? (Answer at the end)
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...mM2MWE=&w=MA== Quote:
None of the 219 reality challenged representatives who voted for this bill had read it or had anything but a vague idea of what was in it. At least passage by the House is causing some attention so that some of the idiocy is getting out - but, of course, not through the MSM.
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Re: The One & Only Global Warming Thread, Part 7 (including environmentalism and ener
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Oh noes. Global warming is shrinking sheep. We gotta DO SOMETHING!!!!
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