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Not a one of those Repubs are from energy producing states that export their energy.
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Three of these bozos are from one state? What's the matter with New Jersey? Three out of five Republican reps voted for it.
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I see her husband voted against the bill.
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The Smith vote surprised me a little.
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Spanish economist has inconvenient truth for "green jobs" agenda.
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Wait until the unions figure out how many of their members' jobs will be going overseas if this gets through the Senate.
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This is a good test of who's more important to the Dems: unions or greenies.
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Democrats are going to get either of their votes no matter what. It seems the unions might be able to mess them up more while they're in office, but then some unions have pretty much been already paid off.
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Sure. They always get votes from blocs that they don't really do anything for. That's politics. I'm just wondering who they'll listen to more here.
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Great. She changed her mind and didn't read shit. A phone call does it. Classic Washington. I hope she got a good meal at Capital Grille out of it.
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Top polar bear expert not wanted because of "the position [he's] taken on global warming."
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MSM dented again. CBS writes article about Carbongate.
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It would be nice if CBS actually reported this on TV. Oh well, baby steps.
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Smith does vote against his party some. Many of these votes were concerning veteran's benefits. He just doesn't give lip service. He actually supports the veterans.
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http://www.populartechnology.net/200...pollution.html
November 20, 2008 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution "CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not pollution and Global Warming has nothing to do with pollution. The average person has been misled and is confused about what the current Global Warming debate is about, greenhouse gases. None of which has anything to do with air pollution. People are confusing Smog, Carbon Monoxide (CO) and the pollutants in car exhaust with the life supporting, essential trace gas in our atmosphere, Carbon Dioxide (CO2). Pollution is already regulated under the Clean Air Act and regulating Carbon Dioxide (CO2) will do absolutely nothing to make the air you breath "cleaner". Regulating Carbon Dioxide (CO2) emissions through either 'Carbon Taxes' or 'Cap and Trade' policies will cause energy prices (electricity, gasoline, diesel fuel, propane, heating oil ect...) to skyrocket. "CO2 is not a pollutant. In simple terms, CO2 is plant food. The green world we see around us would disappear if not for atmospheric CO2. These plants largely evolved at a time when the atmospheric CO2 concentration was many times what it is today. Indeed, numerous studies indicate the present biosphere is being invigorated by the human-induced rise of CO2. In and of itself, therefore, the increasing concentration of CO2 does not pose a toxic risk to the planet." - John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Alabama "Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but a naturally occurring, beneficial trace gas in the atmosphere. For the past few million years, the Earth has existed in a state of relative carbon dioxide starvation compared with earlier periods. There is no empirical evidence that levels double or even triple those of today will be harmful, climatically or otherwise. As a vital element in plant photosynthesis, carbon dioxide is the basis of the planetary food chain - literally the staff of life. Its increase in the atmosphere leads mainly to the greening of the planet. To label carbon dioxide a "pollutant" is an abuse of language, logic and science." - Robert M. Carter, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental and Earth Sciences, James Cook University "Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. On the contrary, it makes crops and forests grow faster. Economic analysis has demonstrated that more CO2 and a warmer climate will raise GNP and therefore average income. It's axiomatic that bureaucracies always want to expand their scope of operations. This is especially true of EPA, which is primarily a regulatory agency. As air and water pollution disappear as prime issues, as acid rain and stratospheric-ozone depletion fade from public view, climate change seems like the best growth area for regulators. It has the additional glamour of being international and therefore appeals to those who favor world governance over national sovereignty. Therefore, labeling carbon dioxide, the product of fossil-fuel burning, as a pollutant has a high priority for EPA as a first step in that direction." - S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia "Carbon and CO2 (carbon dioxide) are fundamental for all life on Earth. CO2 is a colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas. CO2 is product of our breathing, and is used in numerous common applications like fire extinguishers, baking soda, carbonated drinks, life jackets, cooling agent, etc. Plants' photosynthesis consume CO2 from the air when the plants make their carbohydrates, which bring the CO2 back to the air again when the plants rot or are being burned." - Tom V. Segalstad, Ph.D. Professor of Environmental Geology, University of Oslo "To suddenly label CO2 as a "pollutant" is a disservice to a gas that has played an enormous role in the development and sustainability of all life on this wonderful Earth. Mother Earth has clearly ruled that CO2 is not a pollutant." - Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University "Many chemicals are absolutely necessary for humans to live, for instance oxygen. Just as necessary, human metabolism produces by-products that are exhaled, like carbon dioxide and water vapor. So, the production of carbon dioxide is necessary, on the most basic level, for humans to survive. The carbon dioxide that is emitted as part of a wide variety of natural processes is, in turn, necessary for vegetation to live. It turns out that most vegetation is somewhat 'starved' for carbon dioxide, as experiments have shown that a wide variety of plants grow faster, and are more drought tolerant, in the presence of doubled carbon dioxide concentrations. Fertilization of the global atmosphere with the extra CO2 that mankind's activities have emitted in the last century is believed to have helped increase agricultural productivity. In short, carbon dioxide is a natural part of our environment, necessary for life, both as 'food' and as a by-product." - Roy Spencer, Ph.D. Meteorology "I am at a loss to understand why anyone would regard carbon dioxide as a pollutant. Carbon dioxide, a natural gas produced by human respiration, is a plant nutrient that is beneficial both for people and for the natural environment. It promotes plant growth and reforestation. Faster-growing trees mean lower housing costs for consumers and more habitat for wild species. Higher agricultural yields from carbon dioxide fertilization will result in lower food prices and will facilitate conservation by limiting the need to convert wild areas to arable land." - David Deming, Ph.D. Professor of Geology and Geophysics, University of Oklahoma "Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is a colorless, odorless trace gas that actually sustains life on this planet. Consider the simple dynamics of human energy acquisition, which occurs daily across the globe. We eat plants directly, or we consume animals that have fed upon plants, to obtain the energy we need. But where do plants get their energy? Plants produce their own energy during a process called photosynthesis, which uses sunlight to combine water and carbon dioxide into sugars for supporting overall growth and development. Hence, CO2 is the primary raw material that plants depend upon for their existence. Because plants reside beneath animals (including humans) on the food chain, their healthy existence ultimately determines our own. Carbon dioxide can hardly be labeled a pollutant, for it is the basic substrate that allows life to persist on Earth." - Keith E. Idso, Ph.D. Botany "Atmospheric CO2 is required for life by both plants and animals. It is the sole source of carbon in all of the protein, carbohydrate, fat, and other organic molecules of which living things are constructed. Plants extract carbon from atmospheric CO2 and are thereby fertilized. Animals obtain their carbon from plants. Without atmospheric CO2, none of the life we see on Earth would exist. Water, oxygen, and carbon dioxide are the three most important substances that make life possible. They are surely not environmental pollutants." - Arthur B. Robinson, Ph.D. Professor of Chemistry Defined "Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - A colourless, odourless gas produced by burning carbon and organic compounds and by respiration, and absorbed by plants in photosynthesis." - Compact Oxford English Dictionary "Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - A heavy colorless odorless atmospheric gas. Source: respiration, combustion. Use: during photosynthesis, in refrigeration, carbonated drinks, fire extinguishers." - Encarta Dictionary "Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - A heavy colorless gas that does not support combustion, dissolves in water to form carbonic acid, is formed especially in animal respiration and in the decay or combustion of animal and vegetable matter, is absorbed from the air by plants in photosynthesis, and is used in the carbonation of beverages." - Merriam-Webster Dictionary "Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - A colorless, odorless, incombustible gas, CO2, formed during respiration, combustion, and organic decomposition and used in food refrigeration, carbonated beverages, inert atmospheres, fire extinguishers, and aerosols." - The American Heritage Dictionary "Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - A colorless, odorless, incombustible gas that is produced naturally in breathing, combustion, and decomposition, and commercially for use in dry ice, fire extinguishers, and carbonated beverages." - Wordsmyth Dictionary Carbon Dioxide - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a natural part of Earth's Atmosphere (NASA) - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have risen from 0.028% to 0.038% (380ppm) over the past 100 years (IPCC) - Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not toxic until 5% (50,000ppm) concentration (Source) - Any detrimental effects of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) including chronic exposure to 3% (30,000ppm) are reversible (Source) - OSHA, NIOSH, and ACGIH occupational exposure standards are 0.5% (5,000 ppm) Carbon Dioxide (CO2) (Source) Car Exhaust Car Exhaust consists of: Harmless: - Carbon dioxide (CO2) - Nitrogen (N2) - Water vapor (H2O) Some Pollutants: - Carbon monoxide (CO) * - Hydrocarbons or Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) * - Nitric oxide (NO) * - Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) * - Particulate matter (PM-10) * - Sulfur dioxide (SO2) * * Your car's Catalytic Converter removes about 95% of these pollutants by converting them to Water and Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Smog Smog consists of: - Ozone (O3) * (formed from the photochemical reaction of Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) + Hydrocarbons) - Particulate matter (PM-10) * - Sulfur dioxide (SO2) * * Air Pollution is already regulated in the: 1970 Clean Air Act (Amended: 1977, 1990) |
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I am a charter subscriber to the Skeptical Inquirer (originally called The Zetetic) which began in 1976.
SI has been a beacon of light in so many areas - the paranormal, bogus health claims, pseudoscience, antiscience, cryptozoology, creationism. The list could go on. Unfortunately, for the past couple of years they have been losing their credibility and abandoning their skeptical inquiring to uncritically adopt CAGW. This almost caused me not to renew the last time my subscription was ending but I did although I told them what I thought on my renewal card. Now this subscriber has written an excellent article on the mess SI is making: http://theresilientearth.com/?q=cont...global-warming Quote:
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Remember the debate that wasn't last week between James Hansen and coal company president Don Blankenship? Remember my surprise that Hansen would agree to debate anyone but, of course, Blankenship is not a scientist and perhaps Hansen saw him as an easy foe.
Well, the author of this following article is testing whether Hansen is serious about a debate and invited Christopher Monckton to serve as Hansen's counterpart. Monckton accepted (of course, as he has been trying to debate Gore or Hansen for years). Monckton is also not a scientist but he is thoroughly informed on climate science and understands it. I am certain Hansen will not accept this. http://www.examiner.com/x-13886-New-...e-James-Hansen Quote:
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The editorial from Post #50 has been updated and I'm posting it here. I have deleted the old editorial from Post #50 but left the post as a placeholder so references to other posts stay correct.
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James Hansen and his magical mystery NASA/GISS "adjustments" of temperature increased the warming trend from 1880 to 1999 by more than 25%:
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I don't know if you all remember the already discredited Steig/Mann (of Hockey Stick fame) et al. study that claimed to have discovered that, contrary to decades of data and study which said Antarctica as a whole was cooling, it was really warming.
Now Jeff Id has worked out exactly what percentage of the Steig/Mann figures came from each part of Antarctica. http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/...eig-paper.html Quote:
![]() And here is a graph of how much the Stieg/Mann study took from each part of Antarctica: ![]() The tiny peninsula is weighted with 72% of the total. The peninsula is 2.68% of Antarctica (approximately 380,000 sq.km. out of 14,200,000 sq. km.) If we could see a map distorted similarly to how Steig/Mann distorted the temperature trends from the various areas of Antarctica, it would be along the lines of the bottom map in this image which is based on the relative geographic sources of news items in the United States: ![]() Finally, here is the link to Jeff Id's work: http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/200...e-final-straw/
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