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Old 09-01-08, 07:44 PM   #51
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Steve Largent had an affair that kept him from becoming Speaker? I must have missed that one, or did you mean someone else whose name started with an "L"?
Yeah. Largent tangled with Dick Armey (best. name. evar.)

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Largent himself tried to take advantage of discontent with Majority Leader Dick Armey by challenging Armey for the post. Armey was very unpopular in the Republican caucus, but managed to defeat Largent because Largent wasn't seen as a team player. However, the bruising contest all but ended Armey's chances of becoming Speaker. Largent decided to run for Governor of Oklahoma in 2002. He easily won the Republican nomination and resigned his House seat to devote all his energy to the race. Initially seen as an overwhelming favorite against Democratic state senator Brad Henry, Largent lost to Henry by just under 7,000 votes in the three-way race.
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Old 09-01-08, 08:25 PM   #52
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Steve Largent had an affair that kept him from becoming Speaker? I must have missed that one, or did you mean someone else whose name started with an "L"?
I did get him confused with Livingston, sorry.

It's hard to keep track of all the cheaters.


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Old 09-02-08, 07:03 PM   #53
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THE VIEW returned today and there you have Joy(LEFT) and Melissia(RIGHT).
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Old 09-02-08, 07:46 PM   #54
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THE VIEW returned today and there you have Joy(LEFT) and Melissia(RIGHT).
That sentence makes no sense to me in any context.

I'm rather proud of that fact.
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Old 09-02-08, 07:47 PM   #55
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The ignorant loons.
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Old 09-03-08, 07:46 AM   #56
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That sentence makes no sense to me in any context.

I'm rather proud of that fact.
Today started the new season of THE VIEW the show hosted by Whoopie Goldberg,Barbra Walters, Joy something and Melissia something.
They talked about the Republican's pick for V.P.
One woman is Left and the other is Right.
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Old 09-03-08, 10:30 AM   #57
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where's the "neither" option?
My thoughts exactly. But I voted right...specifically because the extreme right wingers want to jam the bible down everyone's throat in so many instances that it's got no business being a part of. That alone, for me, is enough.

Not that the lefties are much better...it really sucks to only have 2 options, and choose the lesser of 2 evils in any given election.
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Old 09-05-08, 04:58 PM   #58
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After watching how Left-wing loons marched protesting both conventions and then disrupting McCain's speech it's THE LEFT WING LOONS that have answered my question.
And I also found out the DVDTALK is mostly Left-wingers, but I should have known that by how many people I upset with my comments.
It feels good to be in the company of Bill O'reilly and of course Jesus.
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Old 09-05-08, 06:23 PM   #59
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After watching how Left-wing loons marched protesting both conventions and then disrupting McCain's speech it's THE LEFT WING LOONS that have answered my question.
And I also found out the DVDTALK is mostly Left-wingers, but I should have known that by how many people I upset with my comments.
It feels good to be in the company of Bill O'reilly and of course Jesus.
Would that be Jesus Alou or Jesus Mendoza?
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Old 09-05-08, 06:54 PM   #60
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It feels good to be in the company of Bill O'reilly and of course Jesus.
I am positive that you just type stuff to see what kind of reaction you get. I highly doubt Jesus is sitting up in heaven saying, "Gosh, I really hope McCain and Sarah Palin win this election and stick it to all the left wingers!"
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Would that be Jesus Alou or Jesus Mendoza?
Neither.

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Old 09-06-08, 12:54 AM   #62
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I am positive that you just type stuff to see what kind of reaction you get. I highly doubt Jesus is sitting up in heaven saying, "Gosh, I really hope McCain and Sarah Palin win this election and stick it to all the left wingers!"
So he's hoping the party that wants to do away with his birthday and removed prayer from school wins?
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Old 09-06-08, 08:40 AM   #63
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If Jesus were looking down on all of us, I think he'd be shaking his head (or, more optimistically, laughing his ass off). Especially at many of those who claim to act in his name.

And I didn't realize Obama was running on a platform of abolishing Christmas. Isn't he a Christian?

I don't see why enforced prayer would be allowed in public schools in the first place that we would have to remove it, unless you're talking about the "One nation under God" portion of the pledge. I think we should remove that, because it's not actually part of the original pledge. Here are all the official versions of the pledge and the dates they were in use, changes in italics:

1892 (original version):
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”

1892 to 1923:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1923 to 1954:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1954 to Present:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

The "under God" part was added during the Red Scare, when Communists were often described as godless. I really don't think we should be hanging on to relics of the witch hunt that was McCarthyism, do you?

If, however, you're talking about politicians trying to abolish voluntarily prayer in schools, well, as much as they may want to, it won't happen. There's this little thing called the First Amendment that protects that sort of speech, and the courts tend to uphold it. The only way that prayer could be legally restricted at school was if the prayer was causing a clear disruption.

What's that? A liberal (and an atheist) defending someone's right to pray in school? Yes, folks, you heard it here first.
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Old 09-06-08, 10:27 AM   #64
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Neither.

Well there are quite alot to choose from.
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Old 09-06-08, 11:58 AM   #65
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So he's hoping the party that wants to do away with his birthday and removed prayer from school wins?
his - is that supposed to be His?

btw: December 25th is not Jesus Christ's birthday, but we won't get into that discussion.
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Old 09-06-08, 12:02 PM   #66
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If Jesus were looking down on all of us, I think he'd be shaking his head (or, more optimistically, laughing his ass off). Especially at many of those who claim to act in his name.

And I didn't realize Obama was running on a platform of abolishing Christmas. Isn't he a Christian?

I don't see why enforced prayer would be allowed in public schools in the first place that we would have to remove it, unless you're talking about the "One nation under God" portion of the pledge. I think we should remove that, because it's not actually part of the original pledge. Here are all the official versions of the pledge and the dates they were in use, changes in italics:

1892 (original version):
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”

1892 to 1923:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1923 to 1954:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1954 to Present:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

The "under God" part was added during the Red Scare, when Communists were often described as godless. I really don't think we should be hanging on to relics of the witch hunt that was McCarthyism, do you?

If, however, you're talking about politicians trying to abolish voluntarily prayer in schools, well, as much as they may want to, it won't happen. There's this little thing called the First Amendment that protects that sort of speech, and the courts tend to uphold it. The only way that prayer could be legally restricted at school was if the prayer was causing a clear disruption.

What's that? A liberal (and an atheist) defending someone's right to pray in school? Yes, folks, you heard it here first.
It depends on your definition of abolishing voluntarily prayer in schools. Silent prayer - obviously not. Aloud prayer - ??
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Old 09-06-08, 03:08 PM   #67
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It depends on your definition of abolishing voluntarily prayer in schools. Silent prayer - obviously not. Aloud prayer - ??
Aloud prayer has been upheld by the courts. I don't see why that would change.
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Old 09-07-08, 03:11 AM   #69
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If Jesus were looking down on all of us, I think he'd be shaking his head (or, more optimistically, laughing his ass off). Especially at many of those who claim to act in his name.

And I didn't realize Obama was running on a platform of abolishing Christmas. Isn't he a Christian?

I don't see why enforced prayer would be allowed in public schools in the first place that we would have to remove it, unless you're talking about the "One nation under God" portion of the pledge. I think we should remove that, because it's not actually part of the original pledge. Here are all the official versions of the pledge and the dates they were in use, changes in italics:

1892 (original version):
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”

1892 to 1923:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1923 to 1954:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

1954 to Present:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

The "under God" part was added during the Red Scare, when Communists were often described as godless. I really don't think we should be hanging on to relics of the witch hunt that was McCarthyism, do you?

If, however, you're talking about politicians trying to abolish voluntarily prayer in schools, well, as much as they may want to, it won't happen. There's this little thing called the First Amendment that protects that sort of speech, and the courts tend to uphold it. The only way that prayer could be legally restricted at school was if the prayer was causing a clear disruption.

What's that? A liberal (and an atheist) defending someone's right to pray in school? Yes, folks, you heard it here first.
Obama is a christain like the Rev. Wright and Jesse.
That's different that Billy Graham and I'm talking skin color.
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Ah, so he's the wrong kind of Christian? Is that what you're saying? And Palin is the "right" kind of Christian? Am I understanding this correctly? What will you do when a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Muslim is elected president?

And explain to me why someone's religion makes them more or less worthy of running the country?
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Ah, so he's the wrong kind of Christian? Is that what you're saying? And Palin is the "right" kind of Christian? Am I understanding this correctly? What will you do when a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Muslim is elected president?

And explain to me why someone's religion makes them more or less worthy of running the country?
He's not the kind of Christain that the Bible belt will back. The Rev. Wright and Jesse are the kind that has bad things to say about America. Where as Christians like Billy Graham or John Hagee don't say bad things about America.
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What will you do when a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Muslim is elected president?
I really don't care, same with an atheist. But that's easy for me to say cause I don't think it has a chance of happening for awhile...so no need to worry about it.
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He's not the kind of Christain that the Bible belt will back. The Rev. Wright and Jesse are the kind that has bad things to say about America. Where as Christians like Billy Graham or John Hagee don't say bad things about America.
You know, it is okay to be critical of things happening in this country. If everyone laid back and never criticized, we'd end up in a totalitarian state. Then again, I can't speak for Jesus on that one, maybe he wanted us all to be sheep.
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You know, it is okay to be critical of things happening in this country. If everyone laid back and never criticized, we'd end up in a totalitarian state. Then again, I can't speak for Jesus on that one, maybe he wanted us all to be sheep.
Well, you can of course talk about the current war.
That's fine, but when you still bring up the past of slavery to your church going flock at Sunday mass. That's not right.
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You think Obama is running on a platform of "This country owned slaves, so vote for me to show that you're not racist?" Show me where he said that, please.
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