You gotta' love Howard Dean....

kvrdave · 07-26-06, 11:43 PM

Saw this on Drudge and it made me laugh....hard. It reminds me of how Bush is always called divisive, when all that really means is he isn't doing what someone else wants. We need to keep this guy running the DNC.

das Monkey · 07-26-06, 11:45 PM

That's good stuff.

das

DVD Polizei · 07-27-06, 12:06 AM

Maybe the Iraqi PM doesn't like Jews. It's highly possible, given the country. Duh. But I haven't read any evidence to support this. But I will say the potential is pretty high.

In any case, Katherine Harris is a man, and Dean is still a freak.

MartinBlank · 07-27-06, 01:01 AM

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“Thank God for Bill Nelson, because we’d have another crook in the United States Senate if it weren’t for him. He is going to beat the pants off Katherine Harris,” Dean said during his 20-minute address. “She doesn’t understand that it’s…improper to be chairman of a campaign and count the votes at the same time. This is not Russia and she is not Stalin.”

Audio: http://www.exposetheleft.com/2006/07...harris-stalin/

YYYYYEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!1111!!!!

Superboy · 07-27-06, 03:25 AM

You know, after reading books like Manufacturing Consent, this shit really doesn't surprise me. Obviously manipulating this soundbite is just a way to skirt the whole issue that Dean brought up; it's just a shame that he had to use such inflammatory dialogue to totally divert people's attention.

And just because someone says something wrong once doesn't mean that everything they say all the time is always wrong. Or even hypocritical/contradictory.

kvrdave · 07-27-06, 04:49 AM

It is much more about simply being funny than it is political. However, nothing beats this.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...dean_flash.mp3

The Bus · 07-27-06, 06:58 AM

I'm confused. Dean said she's not Stalin.

classicman2 · 07-27-06, 06:59 AM

I have little doubt that Al-Maliki is anti-Semetic.

I've got some sad news for kvrdave. Voters in 11/06 don't vote for the party chairmen. Sorry!

TheBigDave · 07-27-06, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman2

I've got some sad news for kvrdave. Voters in 11/06 don't vote for the party chairmen. Sorry!

Yeah, but Howard Dean does a great job of getting out the Republican voters.

Bushdog · 07-27-06, 08:17 AM

Well, actually the Republican machine would demonize anyone in order to try to radicalize their constituents to get out the vote. He's an easy target but they just go after one Dem after another.

Note, this isn't criticism of their technique. The raison d'etre for a political party is to continue to exist and get people elected. This is simply a strategy to do that.

raven56706 · 07-27-06, 08:26 AM

is he a secret republican weapon...

classicman2 · 07-27-06, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBigDave

Yeah, but Howard Dean does a great job of getting out the Republican voters.

In addition - the DNC Chairman doesn't get out the Republican voters. Hillary might.

Jason · 07-27-06, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Superboy

And just because someone says something wrong once doesn't mean that everything they say all the time is always wrong. Or even hypocritical/contradictory.

Yes it does. It's the first rule of talk radio.

Oh, I almost forgot.. YEAAARRRGGHHHH!!!!!

nemein · 07-27-06, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushdog

Well, actually the Republican machine would demonize anyone in order to try to radicalize their constituents to get out the vote. He's an easy target but they just go after one Dem after another.

Note, this isn't criticism of their technique. The raison d'etre for a political party is to continue to exist and get people elected. This is simply a strategy to do that.

It's a strategy that isn't limited to just the Reps though. The Dems are just as good at demonizing the people they oppose. That's the nature of politics these days.

classicman2 · 07-27-06, 09:49 AM

nemein,

The Repubs have made an art out of demonizing people.

The Democrats, compared to the Repubs, are amatuers.

Jason · 07-27-06, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by raven56706

is he a secret republican weapon...

No, you're thinking of Terry McAuliffe.

Save Ferris · 07-27-06, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei

In any case, Katherine Harris is a man

But shouldnt the liberal voters love a tranny politician? Why is it an insult?

I never get how they do that. The most talk about Ann Coulter being a 'man in disguise' are from the left. I thought they're all for that kind of thing?

nodeerforamonth · 07-27-06, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by raven56706

is he a secret republican weapon...

ssshhhhhhh.... nothing to see here. Move along.

JasonF · 07-27-06, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushdog

Well, actually the Republican machine would demonize anyone in order to try to radicalize their constituents to get out the vote. He's an easy target but they just go after one Dem after another.

Why, that's crazy talk! It's all about Howard Dean. I mean, don't you remember how respectful the right was toward Terry McAuliffe or Ed Rendell?

kvrdave · 07-27-06, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman2

nemein,

The Repubs have made an art out of demonizing people.

The Democrats, compared to the Repubs, are amatuers.

Just ask Newt Gingrich

classicman2 · 07-27-06, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Just ask Newt Gingrich

Just ask John Murtha.

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They can and do vote against him and the party that has chosen such an individual to be at its head.

They can - but they don't.

nemein · 07-27-06, 02:34 PM

Come on now... the "source" and the "voice of reason" has spoken we...

must...

agree w/...

him...

Sorry I couldn't get through that w/ a straight face

Each to their own. IMHO I don't see how any reasonable/fair minded person can't see how both sides use these demonization (and other tactics) against the other. It's part of how politics is played these days. It's as amusing (and incorrect) as those who don't recognize both sides have their special interests they are beholden too and neither really knows/cares about what the "common" people want. Mainly because the common people generally don't know what they want out of their politicians either. When they do figure it out they join w/ other like minded people and form a special interest group

classicman2 · 07-27-06, 02:42 PM

Questioning your opponents' patriotism who served honorably, receiving medals for heroism, in Vietnam, while defending a draft dodger....................

How about another president - Bill Clinton?

nemein,

You can't seriously believe that the Democratic attack machine is anywhere near as brutal or effective as the Republican attack machine.

bhk · 07-27-06, 02:45 PM

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You can't seriously believe that the Democratic attack machine is anywhere near as brutal or effective as the Republican attack machine.

It's just as vicious but not as effective because only attacks based on the truth are effective.

Remind me when there as a cartoon on the RNC webpage showing Clinton throwing an old woman off of a cliff?

nemein · 07-27-06, 02:54 PM

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You can't seriously believe that the Democratic attack machine is anywhere near as brutal or effective as the Republican attack machine.

I'll give you effective

... for "brutality" though I think the Dems give as good as the get (if not exceed the Reps) in this respect.

07-26-06, 11:43 PM	#1
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 79,313	You gotta' love Howard Dean.... Saw this on Drudge and it made me laugh....hard. It reminds me of how Bush is always called divisive, when all that really means is he isn't doing what someone else wants. We need to keep this guy running the DNC. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

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kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 79,313	It is much more about simply being funny than it is political. However, nothing beats this. http://politicalhumor.about.com/libr...dean_flash.mp3 __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

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Superboy Suspended Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: So Cal Posts: 7,073	You know, after reading books like Manufacturing Consent, this shit really doesn't surprise me. Obviously manipulating this soundbite is just a way to skirt the whole issue that Dean brought up; it's just a shame that he had to use such inflammatory dialogue to totally divert people's attention. And just because someone says something wrong once doesn't mean that everything they say all the time is always wrong. Or even hypocritical/contradictory.

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classicman2 DVD Talk God Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 66,894	I have little doubt that Al-Maliki is anti-Semetic. I've got some sad news for kvrdave. Voters in 11/06 don't vote for the party chairmen. Sorry!

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Bushdog DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Shackled Posts: 35,368	Well, actually the Republican machine would demonize anyone in order to try to radicalize their constituents to get out the vote. He's an easy target but they just go after one Dem after another. Note, this isn't criticism of their technique. The raison d'etre for a political party is to continue to exist and get people elected. This is simply a strategy to do that.

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classicman2 DVD Talk God Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 66,894	nemein, The Repubs have made an art out of demonizing people. The Democrats, compared to the Repubs, are amatuers.

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classicman2 DVD Talk God Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 66,894	Questioning your opponents' patriotism who served honorably, receiving medals for heroism, in Vietnam, while defending a draft dodger.................... How about another president - Bill Clinton? nemein, You can't seriously believe that the Democratic attack machine is anywhere near as brutal or effective as the Republican attack machine.