Hypothetical question - who would win in a war between USA vs. the European Union

MitzEclipse · 01-03-06, 12:07 PM

Looking for any analysis on who would win a hypothetical war (God forbid) between USA vs. the EU. I'm talking the entire EU that is shaded in blue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...ames_isles.png

Thanks

FiveO · 01-03-06, 12:12 PM

There are no winners in war

Considering we live in a nuclear age it would probably be a stalemate with everyone dead.

Groucho · 01-03-06, 12:12 PM

If we took the "scorched earth" approach and just nuked away, the US would win hands down.

Tommy Ceez · 01-03-06, 12:12 PM

The only way that this would be a fair fight is if the US forces staged in europe fought on the EU side

Bandoman · 01-03-06, 12:13 PM

The ninjas would win.

classicman2 · 01-03-06, 12:13 PM

I seriously doubt that GB would go to war with its former colony.

The Bus · 01-03-06, 12:14 PM

Quick, let's do the war now before they get Bulgaria.

And this would only be fair if we could use NAFTA.

uberjoe · 01-03-06, 12:21 PM

I say the Pirates!

nemein · 01-03-06, 12:24 PM

I think it would mostly depend upon what starts it, why people are fighting and what one considers "victory".

Bandoman · 01-03-06, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by uberjoe

I say the Pirates!

How can you say this without any factual support? Link?

X · 01-03-06, 12:29 PM

China

bhk · 01-03-06, 12:33 PM

It might be tougher in a couple of decades when there will be a couple of Islamic Republics in western Europe.

VinVega · 01-03-06, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by uberjoe

I say the Pirates!

You mean the DVD Pirates.

Tommy Ceez · 01-03-06, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhk

It might be tougher in a couple of decades when there will be a couple of Islamic Republics in western Europe.

Yeah, because there SOOOO good at maintaining infrastructure

bhk · 01-03-06, 12:38 PM

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Yeah, because there SOOOO good at maintaining infrastructure

That's exactly it, the money is being used to make explosives.

dick_grayson · 01-03-06, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by X

China

.....that's what I was thinking too

MitzEclipse · 01-03-06, 12:53 PM

anyone know where i can find some serious articles/papers about this?

nemein · 01-03-06, 12:55 PM

Isn't it kind of early in the year for a homework assignment already

classicman2 · 01-03-06, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitzEclipse

anyone know where i can find some serious articles/papers about this?

It's not a serious subject. Why would you expect serious articles or papers?

Bandoman · 01-03-06, 12:58 PM

http://piratesversusninjas.com/

OldDude · 01-03-06, 01:16 PM

Conventional War:
EU absolutely cannot project power at a distance. They could never maintain/protect the supply lines to come here and wage war. The US can project more power at more distance than anybody, but I am not sure we could project enough to win a ground war in Europe against Europe, where they would have short supply lines. We've taken quite a "peace dividend" too following the Cold War.

Nuclear War
As long as we keep Russia out of it (or on our side), we have about ten times as many nuclear devices as UK and France (imagine them on the same side) put together, the only two EU nuclear powers. (The idea of US and Russia on opposite sides of a nuclear conflict is the only scenario where we need to fear for all mankind; anything smaller at most risks a region.)

I trust the question is theoretical as they are (mostly) our allies and members of NATO. If we attacked them, we'd have an obligation to defend them.

Damn treaties.

X · 01-03-06, 01:21 PM

You just know someone's going to find a report that a study of this situation has been done some time in the past and they'll say that proves we're planning on attacking the EU.

Ranger · 01-03-06, 01:24 PM

If Turkey is an EU member then I think that would be a major factor since they may be in a better position to influence the Arab oil countries.

MitzEclipse · 01-03-06, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemein

Isn't it kind of early in the year for a homework assignment already

LOL, it's not for school - long graduated... it's actually to settle a bet between my friends

nemein · 01-03-06, 01:39 PM

Even better... what's the bet, we'll tell you (w/ self assured authority

) who won or lost

01-03-06, 12:07 PM	#1
MitzEclipse DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 2,547	Hypothetical question - who would win in a war between USA vs. the European Union Looking for any analysis on who would win a hypothetical war (God forbid) between USA vs. the EU. I'm talking the entire EU that is shaded in blue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...ames_isles.png Thanks

01-03-06, 12:12 PM	#2
FiveO DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,880	There are no winners in war Considering we live in a nuclear age it would probably be a stalemate with everyone dead. __________________ - "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us..."

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Groucho DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 62,078	If we took the "scorched earth" approach and just nuked away, the US would win hands down. __________________ Xbox Live: Runner Groucho PSN: RunnerGroucho "The Borg is a species" -- Tracer Bullet (Citation)

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Tommy Ceez DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Capitol of the Empire! Center of all Commerce and Culture! Crossroads of Civilization! NEW ROME!!!...aka New York City Posts: 10,809	The only way that this would be a fair fight is if the US forces staged in europe fought on the EU side __________________ Tommy Ceez may or may not be a moron, but he's OUR possible moron - El Scorcho

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Bandoman DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: a small cottage on a cul de sac in the lower pits of hell. Posts: 27,796	The ninjas would win. __________________ "...Bando...you are perfect and awesome." - 4KRG

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classicman2 DVD Talk God Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 66,868	I seriously doubt that GB would go to war with its former colony.

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The Bus DVD Talk Godfather Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 51,620	Quick, let's do the war now before they get Bulgaria. And this would only be fair if we could use NAFTA. __________________ Movies: 2002 / 03 / 04 / 05 / 06 / 07 / 08 / 09 / 10 / 11 / 12 / 2013 "Too much disclaiming in this post." – Dr. Mabuse

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uberjoe DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 3,433	I say the Pirates!

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nemein Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: 1bit away from total disaster Posts: 33,284	I think it would mostly depend upon what starts it, why people are fighting and what one considers "victory". __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference. My Countdown Counting down to: End of the countdown clock 2782 days 6 hours 40 minutes

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bhk DVD Talk Legend Join Date: May 1999 Location: Right of Atilla The Hun Posts: 19,749	It might be tougher in a couple of decades when there will be a couple of Islamic Republics in western Europe. __________________ "We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you." Hussein Massawi, the former leader of Hezbollah

01-03-06, 12:53 PM	#17
MitzEclipse DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 2,547	anyone know where i can find some serious articles/papers about this?

01-03-06, 12:55 PM	#18
nemein Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: 1bit away from total disaster Posts: 33,284	Isn't it kind of early in the year for a homework assignment already __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference. My Countdown Counting down to: End of the countdown clock 2782 days 6 hours 40 minutes

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01-03-06, 01:16 PM	#21
OldDude DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: MI Posts: 24,474	Conventional War: EU absolutely cannot project power at a distance. They could never maintain/protect the supply lines to come here and wage war. The US can project more power at more distance than anybody, but I am not sure we could project enough to win a ground war in Europe against Europe, where they would have short supply lines. We've taken quite a "peace dividend" too following the Cold War. Nuclear War As long as we keep Russia out of it (or on our side), we have about ten times as many nuclear devices as UK and France (imagine them on the same side) put together, the only two EU nuclear powers. (The idea of US and Russia on opposite sides of a nuclear conflict is the only scenario where we need to fear for all mankind; anything smaller at most risks a region.) I trust the question is theoretical as they are (mostly) our allies and members of NATO. If we attacked them, we'd have an obligation to defend them. Damn treaties. __________________ 9/11/2001 - You have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve. - paraphrased from Yamamoto

01-03-06, 01:21 PM	#22
X Administrator Join Date: Oct 1987 Location: AA- Posts: 10,123	You just know someone's going to find a report that a study of this situation has been done some time in the past and they'll say that proves we're planning on attacking the EU.

01-03-06, 01:24 PM	#23
Ranger DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 18,141	If Turkey is an EU member then I think that would be a major factor since they may be in a better position to influence the Arab oil countries.

01-03-06, 01:39 PM	#25
nemein Moderator Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: 1bit away from total disaster Posts: 33,284	Even better... what's the bet, we'll tell you (w/ self assured authority ) who won or lost __________________ "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, Socialist Party of America God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference. My Countdown Counting down to: End of the countdown clock 2782 days 6 hours 40 minutes