Will all Abortion be Illegal in the US by 2008?

VinVega · 11-03-04, 11:22 AM

Now that some are claiming that we have a "mandate" from the US voters for Republican platforms and values, do they have enough steam to make abortion illegal before the next election? There will be Supreme Court Justices appointed during this Presidential cycle.

kvrdave · 11-03-04, 11:24 AM

Was abortion illegal in the US before Roe v Wade? Only in certain states. Worst case scenario is that it becomes a state issue again. How awful.

But that won't happen either, even though Roe v. Wade is really about "privacy"

Stoooopid.

wendersfan · 11-03-04, 11:24 AM

Yes, along with watching reruns of Will and Grace, Zoroastrianism, and attending hockey games where one of the teams is from Canada, or more than two of the players from either team speaks French as their native language.

wlmowery · 11-03-04, 11:25 AM

I voted no, but I can see Abortion being more heavily regulated in about 20 states IF the Bush Administration can get the right 3 SC nominees confirmed.

I don't think abortion will ever be made illegal on a national level, but I can foresee a gradual return to state's rights on the issue given some potential SC turnover!

kvrdave · 11-03-04, 11:26 AM

Honestly, it is like the idea that there will be no guns if a democrat wins. America loves guns, and it loves baby killing, so neither is in jeopardy any time soon.

Chew · 11-03-04, 11:27 AM

I have serious doubts that a Justice who is openly pro-life could make it through the Senate unless the Republicans had the needed 60 super-majority. So, no.

Trigger · 11-03-04, 11:27 AM

let's see... republican majority in every branch of government? check. yup - it'll happen.

Pharoh · 11-03-04, 11:27 AM

No.

classicman2 · 11-03-04, 11:29 AM

Of course not.

The Senate will never (at least for the foreseeable) future confirm anyone who has ever uttered the words 'Roe v. Wade should be overturned.'

Forget about the Democratic filibuster. There are least 5 (probably more) Republicans in the Senate who would not vote to confirm such an individual.

classicman2 · 11-03-04, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Trigger
let's see... republican majority in every branch of government? check. yup - it'll happen.

I see you're not terribly familiar with the process, are you?

wlmowery · 11-03-04, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by Chew
I have serious doubts that a Justice who is openly pro-life could make it through the Senate unless the Republicans had the needed 60 super-majority. So, no.

This is why I think it will remain legal, if not more strongly regulated on a local/statewide level.

While professed anti-ROE candidates will never be confirmed, I think states' rights candidate can be confirmed and can lead to states' rights related restrictions/modifications to ROE's application. But it will take at least 2, more likely 3, states' rights justices to make it happen (1 for Rehnquist 1 for Stevens; and, please God, one for Ginsburg).

taa455 · 11-03-04, 11:37 AM

It will never happen.

dtcarson · 11-03-04, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Chew
I have serious doubts that a Justice who is openly pro-life could make it through the Senate unless the Republicans had the needed 60 super-majority. So, no.

Yep.
Which is sad. Almost every president/candidate says 'There's no litmus test', but almost the first question is 'How do you feel about abortion?' I'd be satisfied with states rights judges instead of interventionists.

Trigger · 11-03-04, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by classicman2
I see you're not terribly familiar with the process, are you?

I am... can't you just let me be apocalyptic for one day without you accusing me of being more stupider than you?

sfsdfd · 11-03-04, 11:41 AM

I would hope not, but I also would not expect the country to come out so strongly in favor of DOMA laws. In Ohio, it was 62% to 38% - a landslide.

I would not be surprised if Bush and the RNC capitalized on its leverage in Congress. Right-wing legislators who manage to push through the process to get abortion banned (either a couple of conservative SCt justices or some constitutional mumbo-jumbo) will basically be assured lifetime appointments by a grateful Christian base.

Simply put: Bush ran on an agenda of making his views the law of the land. The voting public tacitly condoned that behavior. So that's what we're going to see over the next four years.

- David Stein

kvrdave · 11-03-04, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Trigger
I am... can't you just let me be apocalyptic for one day without you accusing me of being more stupider than you?

Jeremy517 · 11-03-04, 11:42 AM

Even if Roe v Wade was overturned (which it won't be), abortion still wouldn't be illegal.

chess · 11-03-04, 11:45 AM

No.

Republicans care about the issue, but they are all about winning.

Tough to win without women.

DodgingCars · 11-03-04, 11:45 AM

I don't believe that abortion will ever be illegal in the United States again, ever.

LasVegasMichael · 11-03-04, 11:47 AM

Unfortunately, no. Hopefully, it will be made less accessible and readily used through litigation (i.e. parental consent etc), but not illegal.

chess · 11-03-04, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Jeremy517
Even if Roe v Wade was overturned (which it won't be), abortion still wouldn't be illegal.

It would be in many states, and very quickly I suspect.

So many misconceptions about R v W. All it does is defines the state's interest at the three trimesters of pregnancy. The only absolute right given by R v. W is in the first trimester.

B.A. · 11-03-04, 11:50 AM

Not on a national level.

DodgingCars · 11-03-04, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeremy517
Even if Roe v Wade was overturned (which it won't be), abortion still wouldn't be illegal.

You wouldn't really need to "overturn" Roe v Wade. A state or local government would simply have to pass a law that restricts, limits, or otherwise prohibits abortion -- it would be challenged and would have to be appealed to the Supreme Court, who would have to agree to hear the case.

But it won't happen. And even if it did, the governments would have to actually agree to enforce the ruling. The Supreme Court has no authority to enforce its rulings.

Geofferson · 11-03-04, 12:05 PM

Nope. This is a non-issue.

Birrman54 · 11-03-04, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by DodgingCars
You wouldn't really need to "overturn" Roe v Wade. A state or local government would simply have to pass a law that restricts, limits, or otherwise prohibits abortion -- it would be challenged and would have to be appealed to the Supreme Court, who would have to agree to hear the case.

But it won't happen. And even if it did, the governments would have to actually agree to enforce the ruling. The Supreme Court has no authority to enforce its rulings.

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11-03-04, 11:22 AM	#1
VinVega Moderator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Stuck in the middle with you Posts: 24,061	Will all Abortion be Illegal in the US by 2008? Now that some are claiming that we have a "mandate" from the US voters for Republican platforms and values, do they have enough steam to make abortion illegal before the next election? There will be Supreme Court Justices appointed during this Presidential cycle. __________________ History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. - Cicero

11-03-04, 11:24 AM	#2
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 79,184	Was abortion illegal in the US before Roe v Wade? Only in certain states. Worst case scenario is that it becomes a state issue again. How awful. But that won't happen either, even though Roe v. Wade is really about "privacy" Stoooopid. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

11-03-04, 11:24 AM	#3
wendersfan Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Where homophobes don't get slut sauce Posts: 28,262	Yes, along with watching reruns of Will and Grace, Zoroastrianism, and attending hockey games where one of the teams is from Canada, or more than two of the players from either team speaks French as their native language. __________________ "Fifth Element may be as dumb and artless as Johnny Mnemonic, but since a frenchman made it it must be ART!" -Pants "...I think it's a low blow to draw attention to wendersfan's drunken state. " - dork "Just because their victims are still alive doesn't mean they didn't commit murder." - grundle "You concentrate on the sad wanna be hooliganism and let us worry about the actual soccer." - rocketsauce (final score: Columbus 2-Chicago 1)

11-03-04, 11:25 AM	#4
wlmowery DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: May 2000 Location: Un-Happy Valley, PA Posts: 2,718	I voted no, but I can see Abortion being more heavily regulated in about 20 states IF the Bush Administration can get the right 3 SC nominees confirmed. I don't think abortion will ever be made illegal on a national level, but I can foresee a gradual return to state's rights on the issue given some potential SC turnover! __________________ Wayne Wii Code: 3607 0369 2839 6928 xBox 360: AnWphans

11-03-04, 11:26 AM	#5
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 79,184	Honestly, it is like the idea that there will be no guns if a democrat wins. America loves guns, and it loves baby killing, so neither is in jeopardy any time soon. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

11-03-04, 11:27 AM	#6
Chew DVD Talk Legend Join Date: May 1999 Location: South of Titletown Posts: 18,628	I have serious doubts that a Justice who is openly pro-life could make it through the Senate unless the Republicans had the needed 60 super-majority. So, no. __________________ XBL/PSN: chew1138 Weekly Tuesday Warhawk Night (PS3)

11-03-04, 11:27 AM	#7
Trigger DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 23,459	let's see... republican majority in every branch of government? check. yup - it'll happen. __________________ theomnom.com Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence? Sai Baba

11-03-04, 11:27 AM	#8
Pharoh DVD Talk Legend Join Date: May 2000 Location: In sadness and denial Posts: 21,168	No.

11-03-04, 11:29 AM	#9
classicman2 DVD Talk God Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 66,869	Of course not. The Senate will never (at least for the foreseeable) future confirm anyone who has ever uttered the words 'Roe v. Wade should be overturned.' Forget about the Democratic filibuster. There are least 5 (probably more) Republicans in the Senate who would not vote to confirm such an individual.

11-03-04, 11:37 AM	#12
taa455 DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 3,507	It will never happen.

11-03-04, 11:41 AM	#15
sfsdfd Moderator Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: \|-\|@><0r L@n\|) Posts: 17,214	I would hope not, but I also would not expect the country to come out so strongly in favor of DOMA laws. In Ohio, it was 62% to 38% - a landslide. I would not be surprised if Bush and the RNC capitalized on its leverage in Congress. Right-wing legislators who manage to push through the process to get abortion banned (either a couple of conservative SCt justices or some constitutional mumbo-jumbo) will basically be assured lifetime appointments by a grateful Christian base. Simply put: Bush ran on an agenda of making his views the law of the land. The voting public tacitly condoned that behavior. So that's what we're going to see over the next four years. - David Stein __________________ "The Other is not a peaceful community. We are bitches." -kvrdave Ask not what your country can do for you... because the answer is disappointing.

11-03-04, 11:42 AM	#17
Jeremy517 DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Newberg, OR Posts: 15,990	Even if Roe v Wade was overturned (which it won't be), abortion still wouldn't be illegal.

11-03-04, 11:45 AM	#18
chess DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 15,210	No. Republicans care about the issue, but they are all about winning. Tough to win without women. __________________ PSN: frizby Battlefield Talk

11-03-04, 11:45 AM	#19
DodgingCars DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: The L.A. Posts: 18,120	I don't believe that abortion will ever be illegal in the United States again, ever. __________________ My DVDs My Games

11-03-04, 11:47 AM	#20
LasVegasMichael DVD Talk Gold Edition Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 11.5 Miles from the Strip Posts: 2,353	Unfortunately, no. Hopefully, it will be made less accessible and readily used through litigation (i.e. parental consent etc), but not illegal.

11-03-04, 11:50 AM	#22
B.A. DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Land of Imprisoned Governors Posts: 28,078	Not on a national level. __________________ Disregard directions sent from Hell.

11-03-04, 12:05 PM	#24
Geofferson DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: TechNoir Posts: 36,457	Nope. This is a non-issue.