Which candidate just said this?

IMRICKJAMES · 10-21-04, 05:18 PM

"I will bring my faith with me to the White House and it will guide me."

One clue

It wasn't President Bush

So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?

DVD Polizei · 10-21-04, 05:22 PM

Because Kerry has a plan...

Thor Simpson · 10-21-04, 05:37 PM

The article I read earlier today said that Kerry will be emphasizing his faith in the days leading up to the election.

Between that and the hunting photo op, can anyone really take this as anything less than last minute shenanigans?

He's going for the swing voter, and hard. Who can blame him? I just wonder if there's any chance he could lose some of his base over these issues. Their banking on "no," here, likely because of the anti-Bush sentiment.

We shall see how the next 2 weeks play out. Hopefully there is a clear winner with a clear concession. If it truly goes as people are expecting and the lawyers and accusations come out regardless of results, we will be setting the worst example possible to the world, especially when you consider Afghanistan and Iraq right now.

If we, in our wisdom and hundreds of years of democracy, are in such a mess, how can they expect a democratic leader to ever be accepted?

My only hope is that this is not only not worse than 2000, but far better. Even if it's Kerry who ends up on top. America needs a clean election. Fingers crossed.

General Zod · 10-21-04, 05:42 PM

Because if it's coming from Kerry than it's A-OK! If it's coming from Bush than its evil and part of his plan to take over the world.

Mordred · 10-21-04, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?

I would assume it's because Bush takes his faith seriously and when Kerry says something like this, it appears to be a cheap attempt to pander to the religious who don't like Bush.

drunkrob · 10-21-04, 06:14 PM

Look where faith got George Michael. Kerry should play the devil card. It's them goths who aren't turning out. They are too busy posting pics on Live Journal.

Tracer Bullet · 10-21-04, 06:24 PM

This was discussed in depth a week or so ago: http://dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread....hlight=atheist

Myster X · 10-21-04, 06:25 PM

Seriously, just how many so-called plans has the senator proposed? I mean the guy had a plan for EVERYTHING but would not reveal them.

mikehunt · 10-21-04, 06:29 PM

I pointed this out in one of the debate threads and was mocked

natesfortune · 10-21-04, 07:41 PM

Yes, he's out wearing camo and shooting Geese, professing he's going to carry his faith with him to the White House(glad he probably won't have the chance), and "let it guide" him. He has also said he is the "candidate of Conservative values" and absolutely will not admit to being what he is - a liberal. He is hypersensitive to being called that or even "progressive" or any other similar word.

It is a pretty clear illustration of the times we live in, and how much to the right the country has moved since the Reagan Revolution.

Today only 19% of people describe themselves as "liberal". Over 40% describe themselves as "Conservative".

joshd2012 · 10-21-04, 07:47 PM

Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.

Mopower · 10-21-04, 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by joshd2012
Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.

I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times. That damn Bush.

Birrman54 · 10-21-04, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mopower
I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times. That damn Bush.

you're lucky. Bush sent the digital brownshirts to my home and forceably baptised me.

birrman54

IMRICKJAMES · 10-21-04, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by joshd2012
Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.

When has he ever imposed his faith on anyone?? Quit reading talking points from the DNC

OldDude · 10-21-04, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mopower
I'm a Bush supporter and I can't tell you how many times he's made me go to church since he came in to office. Oh wait yes I can. Zero times.

I'm pretty sure you are right. I'm an atheist and I think I'd have noticed if I'd been forced to go to church.

sfsdfd · 10-21-04, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?

Because one candidate has gone on record as saying, repeatedly, that he can't mandate his personal views for all of America. And the other has tried to do just that.

The issue is not the presence of faith. The issue is what each one does with that faith. And they're pretty goddamn different in that regard.

- David Stein

kvrdave · 10-22-04, 01:23 AM

There is no difference. If there really is one, it is that one means what he is saying and one doesn't. Because taken at face value, they are saying the same thing.

But just like liberals didn't bitch and whine about Clinton always refering to God, I still believe it is because they don't believe he meant any of it. The man knew how to speak, and that was just part of it.

DeputyDave · 10-22-04, 03:32 AM

Because just like Clinton (who refered to God many more times than Bush does in his speechs) the left knows Kerry really doesn't mean it. He's just "playing to the sticks".

chess · 10-22-04, 08:18 AM

Just a few of the decisions that Bush has made based either on faith or pandering to the christian right that impose his religious views on american citizens and others.

1. Federal tax dollars going to "faith based initiatives"...whatever the fuck that means...apparently it's open for interpretation.

2. Bible thumping backwoods judges in the federal courts.

3. A constitutional amendment...A FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT...stating that no gay person shall ever have equal rights...ever.

4. Oh, and I almost forgot...a pet crusade (yes, he called it a crusade).

5. "God wanted me to be president right now" or something to that effect.

I'm sure somebody out there can add substantially to this list, and I am confident that Kerry will do none of these things.

Venusian · 10-22-04, 08:26 AM

1) it goes to any faiths, not just Christian
2) name some
3) he has no part in the amendment process
4) he used the word, so?
5) he said that? so? how does that change anything?

Venusian · 10-22-04, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by sfsdfd
Because one candidate has gone on record as saying, repeatedly, that he can't mandate his personal views for all of America. And the other has tried to do just that.

wouldn't his faith guiding him mean that whatever he mandates will be his faith?

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Originally posted by sfsdfd

And they're pretty goddamn different in that regard.

HEY! stop forcing your religion on me! always referring to god

weargle · 10-22-04, 08:30 AM

Faith and hunting are great October Surprises!! Thanks Terry!!!

chess · 10-22-04, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by Venusian
1) it goes to any faiths, not just Christian
2) name some
3) he has no part in the amendment process
4) he used the word, so?
5) he said that? so? how does that change anything?

1. First of all, Riiiiiiiiiight. Second of all, I don't want MY tax dollars going to any religious organization.

2. I distinctly recall him nominating some dude from Miss or Ala with a clear agenda to preach from the bench to a district seat. His name won't come to me...looked relatively young. Somebody help me.

3. He is clearly proposing one. Does his removal from the legislative process give him license to say whatever he wants because it doesn't matter? Please.

4. SO???? So, the word "crusade" has a much different connotation in the middle east than it does here, as I'm sure you might imagine. I can't think of a worse thing for a sitting president to say while talking about liberating Iraqis from thier oil.

5. The man believes he has a divine mandate....and you don't see this as a problem?!?!? No matter what conclusion he comes to, it must be right, because Jesus picked him.

Venusian · 10-22-04, 09:21 AM

1) there are TONS of things I dont want MY tax dollars to fund, yet they do

3) he has the right to say whatever. Bush is against gay marriage, Kerry is against gay marriage. one might be willing to go further with the law than the other, but both are against it.

4) "liberating Iraqis from thier oil"

you can't even discuss this without spouting crap like that?

5) he thinks God put him there. If Kerry wins and he really believes what he says, he'll believe the same thing. That doesn't mean everything he does is right.

Geofferson · 10-22-04, 09:24 AM

There was already talk about this in the 'athiest' thread from a few days ago where I posted the following:

In debate #3, Kerry was talking about being animated by faith in his public life. He stated, "Everything in my public life is guided by my faith, but I will in no way legislate that article of faith on other people."

Is that not a mutually exclusive statement?

10-21-04, 05:18 PM	#1
IMRICKJAMES DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,621	Which candidate just said this? "I will bring my faith with me to the White House and it will guide me." One clue It wasn't President Bush So the question is...why is President Bush's faith denigrated so much by the Democrats when Kerry seems to have the same outlook. They both have faith and both say that faith will guide them, so why is ones religion better than the other?

10-21-04, 05:22 PM	#2
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10-21-04, 05:42 PM	#4
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10-21-04, 06:24 PM	#7
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10-21-04, 06:29 PM	#9
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10-21-04, 05:37 PM	#3
Thor Simpson DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 35,020	The article I read earlier today said that Kerry will be emphasizing his faith in the days leading up to the election. Between that and the hunting photo op, can anyone really take this as anything less than last minute shenanigans? He's going for the swing voter, and hard. Who can blame him? I just wonder if there's any chance he could lose some of his base over these issues. Their banking on "no," here, likely because of the anti-Bush sentiment. We shall see how the next 2 weeks play out. Hopefully there is a clear winner with a clear concession. If it truly goes as people are expecting and the lawyers and accusations come out regardless of results, we will be setting the worst example possible to the world, especially when you consider Afghanistan and Iraq right now. If we, in our wisdom and hundreds of years of democracy, are in such a mess, how can they expect a democratic leader to ever be accepted? My only hope is that this is not only not worse than 2000, but far better. Even if it's Kerry who ends up on top. America needs a clean election. Fingers crossed. __________________ I'm not a fan of people quoting others and saying "This," but... This. - VinVega

10-21-04, 06:14 PM	#6
drunkrob Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 548	Look where faith got George Michael. Kerry should play the devil card. It's them goths who aren't turning out. They are too busy posting pics on Live Journal.

10-21-04, 06:25 PM	#8
Myster X Banned Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 22,995	Seriously, just how many so-called plans has the senator proposed? I mean the guy had a plan for EVERYTHING but would not reveal them.

10-21-04, 07:41 PM	#10
natesfortune DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,639	Yes, he's out wearing camo and shooting Geese, professing he's going to carry his faith with him to the White House(glad he probably won't have the chance), and "let it guide" him. He has also said he is the "candidate of Conservative values" and absolutely will not admit to being what he is - a liberal. He is hypersensitive to being called that or even "progressive" or any other similar word. It is a pretty clear illustration of the times we live in, and how much to the right the country has moved since the Reagan Revolution. Today only 19% of people describe themselves as "liberal". Over 40% describe themselves as "Conservative". __________________ www.fourpair.com "The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits." - Thomas Jefferson

10-21-04, 07:47 PM	#11
joshd2012 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Blu-Ray: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Petition Posts: 6,677	Kerry doesn't impose his faith on other people. That is the difference.

10-22-04, 01:23 AM	#17
kvrdave DVD Talk God Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 79,154	There is no difference. If there really is one, it is that one means what he is saying and one doesn't. Because taken at face value, they are saying the same thing. But just like liberals didn't bitch and whine about Clinton always refering to God, I still believe it is because they don't believe he meant any of it. The man knew how to speak, and that was just part of it. __________________ Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. - C.S. Lewis

10-22-04, 03:32 AM	#18
DeputyDave DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,564	Because just like Clinton (who refered to God many more times than Bush does in his speechs) the left knows Kerry really doesn't mean it. He's just "playing to the sticks". __________________ DVDSpot, RIP

10-22-04, 08:18 AM	#19
chess DVD Talk Legend Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Philly, PA Posts: 15,205	Just a few of the decisions that Bush has made based either on faith or pandering to the christian right that impose his religious views on american citizens and others. 1. Federal tax dollars going to "faith based initiatives"...whatever the fuck that means...apparently it's open for interpretation. 2. Bible thumping backwoods judges in the federal courts. 3. A constitutional amendment...A FUCKING CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT...stating that no gay person shall ever have equal rights...ever. 4. Oh, and I almost forgot...a pet crusade (yes, he called it a crusade). 5. "God wanted me to be president right now" or something to that effect. I'm sure somebody out there can add substantially to this list, and I am confident that Kerry will do none of these things. __________________ PSN: frizby Battlefield Talk

10-22-04, 08:26 AM	#20
Venusian Moderator Join Date: Nov 1999 Posts: 36,943	1) it goes to any faiths, not just Christian 2) name some 3) he has no part in the amendment process 4) he used the word, so? 5) he said that? so? how does that change anything?

10-22-04, 08:30 AM	#22
weargle DVD Talk Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Working in the "evil" pharmaceutical industry booga booga Posts: 7,999	Faith and hunting are great October Surprises!! Thanks Terry!!! __________________ The apocalypse is coming soon! No, not because of the hurricanes, but because the Redskins beat the Cowboys on Monday Night Football in Dallas!!!11!

10-22-04, 09:21 AM	#24
Venusian Moderator Join Date: Nov 1999 Posts: 36,943	1) there are TONS of things I dont want MY tax dollars to fund, yet they do 3) he has the right to say whatever. Bush is against gay marriage, Kerry is against gay marriage. one might be willing to go further with the law than the other, but both are against it. 4) "liberating Iraqis from thier oil" you can't even discuss this without spouting crap like that? 5) he thinks God put him there. If Kerry wins and he really believes what he says, he'll believe the same thing. That doesn't mean everything he does is right.

10-22-04, 09:24 AM	#25
Geofferson DVD Talk Hero Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: TechNoir Posts: 36,446	There was already talk about this in the 'athiest' thread from a few days ago where I posted the following: In debate #3, Kerry was talking about being animated by faith in his public life. He stated, "Everything in my public life is guided by my faith, but I will in no way legislate that article of faith on other people." Is that not a mutually exclusive statement?