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Old 09-13-17, 09:55 AM   #1
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Bodega/Nodega Poetry Slam

https://www.fastcompany.com/40466047...tores-obsolete

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Paul McDonald, who spent 13 years as a product manager at Google, wants to make this corner store a thing of the past. Today, he is launching a new concept called Bodega with his cofounder Ashwath Rajan, another Google veteran. Bodega sets up five-foot-wide pantry boxes filled with non-perishable items you might pick up at a convenience store. An app will allow you to unlock the box and cameras powered with computer vision will register what you’ve picked up, automatically charging your credit card. The entire process happens without a person actually manning the “store.”

Bodega’s logo is a cat, a nod to the popular bodega cat meme on social media–although if the duo gets their way, real felines won’t have brick-and-mortar shops to saunter around and take naps in much longer. “The vision here is much bigger than the box itself,” McDonald says. “Eventually, centralized shopping locations won’t be necessary, because there will be 100,000 Bodegas spread out, with one always 100 feet away from you.

You know what? Fuck these shitty tech companies. /opinion
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

Sorry, I don't trust people, nor tech, enough to see this as viable (as the vendor or customer).
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

Bodega cat meme?

How is this different than this?
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

That's a good observation. I have no idea. So it's a vending machine that uses vision systems to let you pickup the product? Seems like a hassle. How about you just make a vending machine with larger architecture and make it look new and cool? Less real estate footprint.

This reminds me of that smoothie/juice machine, that basically just squishes smoothies out of the prefilled bags. And by the way, that company recently collapsed after getting $100M+ in venture capital.
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

But the beset thing about bodegas are their fresh-MADE sandwiches, sometimes with hot runny eggs and melty cheese - how are you gonna replicate that with you shitty little vending service?
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But the beset thing about bodegas are their fresh-MADE sandwiches, sometimes with hot runny eggs and melty cheese - how are you gonna replicate that with you shitty little vending service?
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

I don't see a future in replacing a business that thrives in a cash economy with a business that requires credit cards.
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

I don't understand what happens when the first person with a stolen credit card comes in and cleans out the place. Or someone goes in and their credit card is declined and they take the stuff anyway. Do they just eat the loss and hope it doesn't happen too frequently?
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That's a good observation. I have no idea. So it's a vending machine that uses vision systems to let you pickup the product? Seems like a hassle. How about you just make a vending machine with larger architecture and make it look new and cool? Less real estate footprint.

This reminds me of that smoothie/juice machine, that basically just squishes smoothies out of the prefilled bags. And by the way, that company recently collapsed after getting $100M+ in venture capital.
No, Juicero went under? Just because you could just squeeze the juice bags yourself instead of using their $400 machine? Did the CEO's pleas to NOT squeeze the juice bags fall on deaf ears?

http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-...ags-1794507811

I fail to see how this vending machine idea isn't just a way crappier, narrower version of Amazon Go:

I mean the computer vision and everything is right there. Why does a vending machine need computer vision? If you want to store bigger things, can't you just make a bigger vending machine? If you put these in shady areas, aren't the cameras and machines going to be busted?

The other kinda dumb idea that recently got a lot of money, at least IMHO, is Moviepass. I mean I hope they survive, the deal is insane. But they're basically just bleeding money in the hopes that someone agrees to partner with them, or that they can sell the data about what movies people see for a high price. I have news for them, if you give people an all you can eat option for 10 bucks a month, they will eat anything, good, bad, whatever, just to try it. If they didn't have the former Netflix CEO on board, I doubt they'd have any credibility.
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

Wait, so they are going to let people buy things with a "credit" card? What happens when someone charges more than they can pay back and files for bankruptcy, or uses someone else's "credit" card? These credit cards will never take off. Too much risk.
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Old 09-13-17, 01:07 PM   #13
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

Ideas like this are solely designed to bleed cash from investors, not to build a viable product.

I think I would like to invite you guys to join me on a journey to revolutionize the vending machine industry. Imagine a vending machine that would interact with a customer on a personal level. Imagine a vending machine that could carry far more product than any other vending machine. Using cutting edge technology and by pinpointing high traffic locations, I plan to unveil the newest vending concept. We will find old, vacant strip mall locations and retrofit them with shelving and racks to hold product. Then we will -- hold on to your hats here -- invite the customer INSIDE the machine to select merchandise. No longer will the customer be locked out at the front door, staring at their own reflection. No! In fact, we will forgo mechanical means of moving merchandise and ringing up transactions and provide actual people to do this work! The customer can not only touch the merchandise, but they will get a personal interaction experience every time! It's a gold mine that nobody has thought of. I will call it "internal personal convenience vending!" Or maybe just "store" because we store the merchandise and enjoyment inside. Who's with me?
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Ideas like this are solely designed to bleed cash from investors, not to build a viable product.

I think I would like to invite you guys to join me on a journey to revolutionize the vending machine industry. Imagine a vending machine that would interact with a customer on a personal level. Imagine a vending machine that could carry far more product than any other vending machine. Using cutting edge technology and by pinpointing high traffic locations, I plan to unveil the newest vending concept. We will find old, vacant strip mall locations and retrofit them with shelving and racks to hold product. Then we will -- hold on to your hats here -- invite the customer INSIDE the machine to select merchandise. No longer will the customer be locked out at the front door, staring at their own reflection. No! In fact, we will forgo mechanical means of moving merchandise and ringing up transactions and provide actual people to do this work! The customer can not only touch the merchandise, but they will get a personal interaction experience every time! It's a gold mine that nobody has thought of. I will call it "internal personal convenience vending!" Or maybe just "store" because we store the merchandise and enjoyment inside. Who's with me?
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No, Juicero went under? Just because you could just squeeze the juice bags yourself instead of using their $400 machine? Did the CEO's pleas to NOT squeeze the juice bags fall on deaf ears?

http://gizmodo.com/juicero-ceo-begs-...ags-1794507811
When it went under, the CEO was partying at Burning Man. This is pretty much the Silicon Valley startup model in my eyes.
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This might be a viable idea in 20 or 30 years. How about we make what's out there work first? Modern digital tech is a house of cards that is always going to disappoint. Give me a line of vending machines with reliable solid state/analog controls and I'll purchase from that.
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

It's not a bodega, it's not a mall
They sell things for apartments small-er than mine
(As if there were apartments smaller than mine.)

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Some of the bodegas I know actually have rental DVDs.

Heck, up here in the frozen frontier we still have a couple of Blockbusters.
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Re: Bodega? More like.. NO...dega... (new company wants to make corner stores obsolet

It's obviously not as big at it used to be, but there's still a market for renting physical movies on discs, as evidenced by the perpetual lines in front of the Redbox machines at my all my local supermarkets.
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There are still two video stores where I moved to recently in Lebanon, TN. One Family Video is really busy. The other Captain Video wasn't busy when I went in there, but they also have a post office and tanning beds. I like to go in and browse the shelves. You also can't beat the prices on older releases 2 for $1 for 5 nights or $1 for 5 nights. They get you on the new releases though. $3.50 for one night.
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Old 09-13-17, 06:34 PM   #21
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It's mostly old people that frequent the corner stores.can't envision a bunh of senior citizens and the elderly being able or wanting to use such a service.
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Fuck Google, fuck Equifax, fuck AI, and fuck Drones, flying cars, and fuck Apple and their $1300 phones.
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I don't see a future in replacing a business that thrives in a cash economy with a business that requires credit cards.
I didn't say that video stores aren't viable. I'm saying look what has happened. A cash-centric industry decimated by swiping your credit card at a vending machine or entering your card number online.

While they had a role in it, I don't believe Redbox or Netflix caused the deaths of Blockbuster and Hollywood as much as BB and HV doing it to themselves with their own business practices. Set aside any of the shady practices they engaged in and look at the industry in general. Video stores can be a viable model for a privately owned company (like Family Video) or a mom-and-pop. However the nature of the business is not conducive for a publicly traded company where the customer is the shareholders, not the family renting the latest Disney film or the guy renting C-level direct to video horror.
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That'll never work.
It doesn't have to work. We just need to get investors.
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