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Old 03-17-17, 05:22 AM   #1
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I rent an apartment with a parking lot across the street. I've lived here for three years.

When I moved in, the most prominent tenant was an artist and Vespa scooter collector/mechanic. He moved out almost two years ago, but he left two Vespas in the parking lot, one with a side car. Very old and need of TLC. They have just been sitting there ever since. No one has complained because the parking lot is inconvenient for the tenants, the space is not a priority.

Can I claim these Vespas, legally? How do I do it? I don't want to alert the property management company, obviously. It's possible that he had a storage agreement with the management, but as soon as I ask about it, they would get wind of a minor gold mine across the street.
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Old 03-17-17, 05:56 AM   #2
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Re: Advice needed - Property & vehicles

Your claim on the property is pretty weak since you don't own the parking lot that the Vespas sit in. At the very least, you are going to have to exercise some due diligence (and document it) in trying to contact the actual owner of the scooters.
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Old 03-17-17, 06:13 AM   #3
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Re: Advice needed - Property & vehicles

I'm thinking that even if you knew the prior tenant had (or did not have) a storage agreement with the property management company, there's nothing you can do. The bikes aren't on your property and they don't belong to you, even if they've been abandoned. Like jfoobar said, I think your only recourse at this point is to try to track down the previous tenant/owner of the bikes. Do Vespas require a license to operate there, any kind of proof of ownership? If you claim them without first obtaining permission (in writing if possible), they could be considered stolen property and you'd be at odds with the law.
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Old 03-17-17, 10:36 AM   #4
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They would require license plates and up to date registration stickers. Do they have those?
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Old 03-17-17, 10:38 AM   #5
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I would agree with kd5 and jfoobar. I would not claim any type of ownership of the Vespa's. As was stated...they are not on your property (the lot). Get ahold of the management and see if they know where the tenant moved to and attempt to get ahold of him and work out a deal. Maybe the old tenant had an agreement with the landlord.....or something. Find out then move forward if you want to buy or see if he'll give them to you.

It could just get nasty...you claim or take them...fix them up and he comes back to get them then claims they are now "stolen". Could be very problematic.

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Old 03-17-17, 10:58 AM   #6
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There's nothing you can do now but wait another year and I'm pretty sure you'll be able to claim it under Finders Keepers law.
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Old 03-17-17, 11:18 AM   #7
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Flood the parking lot with sea water and then you can claim them as salvage under maritime law.
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Old 03-17-17, 11:24 AM   #8
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If this were on one of my places, I'd love to hear a tenant come ask if they could try to take care of the situation. Do that. Then you likely need to talk to the police about abandoned vehicle stuff. It's about a 3 month process of notifying last known addresses, etc.
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Old 03-17-17, 11:58 AM   #9
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Probably asian restoration vespas. left there for a reason.
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Old 03-17-17, 12:44 PM   #10
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take them and hide them for a few years, then bring them out and claim them as yours under the "Finder's keepers law". Then throw them out because they be all rusted garbage
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Old 03-17-17, 12:58 PM   #11
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Your claim on the property is pretty weak since you don't own the parking lot that the Vespas sit in. At the very least, you are going to have to exercise some due diligence (and document it) in trying to contact the actual owner of the scooters.
It's not pretty weak. It's non-existent.
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Old 03-17-17, 01:05 PM   #12
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but he left two Vespas in the parking lot, one with a side car. Very old and need of TLC. They have just been sitting there ever since. No one has complained because the parking lot is inconvenient for the tenants, the space is not a priority.

Can I claim these Vespas, legally? How do I do it? I don't want to alert the property management company, obviously. It's possible that he had a storage agreement with the management, but as soon as I ask about it, they would get wind of a minor gold mine across the street.
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Old 03-17-17, 01:07 PM   #13
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It's not pretty weak. It's non-existent.
^ Not true, its under the "I saw it first" regulation
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Old 03-17-17, 01:36 PM   #14
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^ Not true, its under the "I saw it first" regulation
Colorado has an "I'm rubber and you're glue" statute that could foul things up.
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Old 03-17-17, 03:01 PM   #15
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Old 03-17-17, 03:17 PM   #16
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Flood the parking lot with sea water and then you can claim them as salvage under maritime law.


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Old 03-17-17, 03:24 PM   #17
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btw we have not seen a picture of the treasure yet
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Old 03-17-17, 04:10 PM   #18
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It looks like there is probably a third one under the tarp. The building management is notoriously negligent. The sliding gate to this lot has been broken for over a year, the roof has leaks that they just ignore. It's not surprising that they haven't done anything with the scooters.

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Old 03-17-17, 04:18 PM   #19
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You must live in a really low crime area. In most neighborhoods, if they weren't stolen,the scrap metal guys would have had 'em by now.
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Old 03-17-17, 04:39 PM   #20
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The orange one looks to be from the '80s. Would that be worth the trouble of fixing up? The other one looks older and may be of some value. Sidecars on Vespas are a fun idea, but I've seen a couple tooling around my area and they can barely get moving with all that extra weight.
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Old 03-17-17, 04:47 PM   #21
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I'd like to fix them up just as a fun project.

I contacted the city, and they essentially said there's nothing they, or I, can do without a lengthy legal process. They said I should contact the police if they are abandoned...may do that.
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Old 03-17-17, 05:06 PM   #22
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A police car just happened to drive by a few minutes ago. They said I have to contact the property owners and let them know about the scooters. If they are indifferent or don't respond, I can apply for a "scrap title" from the DMV and claim them.
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Old 03-17-17, 05:50 PM   #23
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You must live in a really low crime area. In most neighborhoods, if they weren't stolen,the scrap metal guys would have had 'em by now.
Actually, it's a very high crime area, one of the highest in Denver.
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Old 03-17-17, 08:21 PM   #24
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Your legal avenue to these vehicles: Have them towed as abandoned then buy them when they go to auction.
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Old 03-18-17, 09:54 PM   #25
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Did you lick them? If you lick them, nobody else will want them, ergo they are legally yours.
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