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Old 06-15-16, 04:17 PM   #51
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Re: Alligator Grabs Child From Parent Without Asking For Permission

You appropriately scaled it down.
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Old 06-15-16, 06:13 PM   #52
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I've never been to Disney World. If alligators are as common as you people describe why do they do things like "movies on the beach"? Do they warn guests when they check in?

Accidents happen when two things occur (1) stupidity, and (2) the illusion of safety, that is the feeling of, "This must be safe or else they wouldn't let us do it." I could easily see myself falling victim to the illusion of safety factor in this situation, because I would naturally assume that despite being in Florida and despite being in a swamp, Disney wouldn't allow me access to this water if it had deadly alligators in it.
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Old 06-15-16, 06:26 PM   #53
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While people should obey a "no swimming" sign, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for DW to post a more detailed reason for not going near the water. Similar to signs you see in Southern California hiking areas:

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Old 06-15-16, 06:30 PM   #54
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I don't think I could deal with alligators being around constantly. Up here all we have to worry about is the occasional angry turkey or aggressive squirrel.

I've never been south of DC--- if I was on that beach in Disneyworld, I'm not sure how aware I'd be that an alligator might be that close. I don't think I'd read "No Swimming" as "Alligator Attack Zone."
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Old 06-15-16, 06:33 PM   #55
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Currently, 5 alligators have been killed in an attempt to find the "real killer".
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Old 06-15-16, 06:55 PM   #56
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While people should obey a "no swimming" sign, I don't think it would have been unreasonable for DW to post a more detailed reason for not going near the water. Similar to signs you see in Southern California hiking areas:
We have those signs in Florida too, for snakes, insects (Woohoo Zika! West Nile!), and gators. I think it was an oversight by Disney, they likely have never seen a Gator on that shore and didn't really consider it.
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Old 06-15-16, 07:18 PM   #57
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One would hope a "No Swimming" sign would be enough. But I guess these days people people need a complete justification or they ignore things.
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I've never been to Disney World. If alligators are as common as you people describe why do they do things like "movies on the beach"? Do they warn guests when they check in?

Accidents happen when two things occur (1) stupidity, and (2) the illusion of safety, that is the feeling of, "This must be safe or else they wouldn't let us do it." I could easily see myself falling victim to the illusion of safety factor in this situation, because I would naturally assume that despite being in Florida and despite being in a swamp, Disney wouldn't allow me access to this water if it had deadly alligators in it.
I don't know... I doesn't seem like an unreasonable expectation to not get eaten by a fucking alligator when visiting Disney World.

This incident seems to have been an outlier, but still...
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Old 06-15-16, 07:36 PM   #59
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As posted before, I suspect more people have been around more gators at WDW than they know. Especially when along the waterways, or riding in those water taxis at night. The reports are that at least 4 other gators were rounded up in very short order.

The guests are just not always looking for them and the gators don't tend to make themselves obvious. And sorry to say it, but if that kid has not went into the water, that particular gator probably would have went unnoticed as well.

Not sure who will be found at fault if it ever gets to that point, but this doesn't seem to be anything that Disney could have easily solved without getting to the point where no guests are allowed anywhere near the water. The reality is that same "beach" spot, and others at the neighboring MK and Epcot resorts, are used almost nightly to view fireworks and boat parades without prior incident. And people take personal water craft out on that same connected waterway all the time.

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Old 06-15-16, 09:17 PM   #60
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Saw this on Facebook. I guess the photos are from 30 minutes prior.

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Old 06-15-16, 09:22 PM   #61
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Was the kid actually swimming in the water? Saw some reports that he was playing on the sand, maybe very close to the water.

Still, gator or no gator, I'd never let a kid that close to the water, especially a toddler and at night. The risk of drowning would be my main concern.
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Wading.. .not swimming.
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Old 06-15-16, 10:00 PM   #63
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If the kid had been armed he could have shot the alligator.

I am also sure that Obama tied steaks to the kid's feet and covered him him in blood.
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Old 06-15-16, 10:46 PM   #64
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One would hope a "No Swimming" sign would be enough. But I guess these days people people need a complete justification or they ignore things.
In fairness I'm not sure how one could expect everyone to assume "No Swimming" meant you could be pulled into the water by a several hundred pound creature. Perhaps the water is polluted. Perhaps no lifeguard is on duty. Perhaps the current is strong. Walking at the waters edge doesn't mean you aren't following the instructions and that could be deadly just the same. How about instead of "No Swimming" they replace it with a sign that everyone could understand. Something like "DANGER - Stay the fuck away from the water"?
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A terrible tragedy.
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The kid wasn't walking at the water's edge. He was wading in the water.
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Old 06-16-16, 06:39 AM   #68
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I don't understand why the fuck anyone would want to go near Florida.
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Old 06-16-16, 06:48 AM   #69
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I don't understand why the fuck anyone would want to go near Florida.
lol... or kitchen knives or cars or streets or electrical outlets or people... come on.
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Just putting a picture of an alligator on the no swimming sign would not only have made the parents stop their child from wading, it would have probably stopped them from even being on the beach. Alligators are not an animal you want your child playing near.
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The kid wasn't walking at the water's edge. He was wading in the water.
After dusk. Even the kid wading in the same area in that facebook piece that was posted wasn't doing it after dusk.
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Old 06-16-16, 09:16 AM   #72
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The sign is a piece of shit. I saw it on the news last night. "No swimming" is not specific enough. As posted earlier, in California we have very specific signs that say things like, "Stay on trail. Rattlesnakes and Mountain Lions are a constant presence."
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We have those signs in Florida too, for snakes, insects (Woohoo Zika! West Nile!), and gators. I think it was an oversight by Disney, they likely have never seen a Gator on that shore and didn't really consider it.
I doubt it was an oversight. My guess is they wanted to down play the whole alligator thing. It's not good for business for guests to know they're at a small risk of gettting eaten. Cats out of the bag now. No doubt change is coming.
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Wonder how many people realize they actually used to promote swimming in the same lagoon. They even used to operate a wave machine near the Polynesian resort so people could surf and they could give surfing lessons.
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