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Old 07-18-10, 02:47 PM   #26
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

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Please tell me you made that up.....
Sadly, no. However, the bill never made it off the ground so +1 for Utah I guess.
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Old 07-18-10, 02:50 PM   #27
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

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I have not heard of something like this, and wouldn't trust my ass to a cop's verbal statement. "but Office Krupke said i could drive for 30 days after it expired."

He was probably looking for an easy arrest if he can catch you driving on an expired license.
Seconded. I've never heard of such a thing. I can see an officer perhaps being a bit lenient if it's a couple of days past and your record is clear but I don't see there being a "30 day grace period".
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Old 07-18-10, 03:32 PM   #28
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

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Not trying to get a rise... just trying to figure out your attitude of entitlement. How did they know you weren't a state inspector trying to see if they're following correct procedures?

But, whatever. Ignorance is bliss, ya know?
Exactly. OP, the employees of these places don't know who you are, regardless of how often you come in. As someone who works in restaurants, a lot of times state inspectors send in people with phony ID's, expired ID's, underage kids... all trying to buy alcohol. If I were to sell to them, I'd lose my job and face thousands of dollars in fines. A bartender just lost his job last week because they sent in an old kid who looked young and the bartender carded him like he was supposed to. Then they sent in a younger kid who looked MUCH older (was even balding) who pretended to be friends with the older kid, so the bartender didn't card him. He was detained by police 2 minutes later.

The point is these kind of stupid tricks get played all the time. I don't take a chance for anyone, no matter how annoyed or entitled they may seem if I refuse to serve them without an ID. Under the law here, having an expired ID is pretty much the same as having no ID at all. I would imagine that it's much the same for tobacco in retail. No one person is worth paying thousands of dollars and losing your job/tobacco license over. What people like you never seem to understand is that these people were only looking out for themselves and their employers.
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Old 07-18-10, 03:50 PM   #29
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This happened twice before I got my license renewed last week. I just turned 25, and I'd forgotten you needed to renewed your license at that age, especially since I'd just paid to have it replaced a month earlier. I went to a gas station I've been to many, many times and whose management requires them to check ID no matter how many times you've been there. Normally they just pretend to look at it because they know me, but right after my birthday I was refused sale of tobacco because the woman noticed my license had expired 2 days before. I protested of course, especially because she'd checked me out many times before, but she wouldn't budge.

Annoyed, I went to a different gas station across the street, but was again told they couldn't sell it to me. I was told the transaction required them to swip a license for their computer to make the sale, and they claimed my ID wouldn't be accepted by their register. They didn't even try. Sale refused again.

I don't get it, is the law that you need a valid/current driver's license or that you need proof of your legal age? If the latter, and that ID would have been proof 2 days before, why not then? If the second place was telling the truth, that's one thing, but the first?

Ohio still makes everyone under 21 get a new license on their 21st birthday I see. Then 4 years for each subsequent renewal, as long as you time it right. My question is, if you just paid to ahve the license replaced a month before it expired, why didnt you just renew at that time? Did the person at the DMV, sorry, BMV say anything about renewing?
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Old 07-18-10, 04:12 PM   #30
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

Some states the police get bored and start busting places for selling cigs and beer to underage kids. They send in decoys to buy it and then bust them if the decoys make a score.

So some places put in blanket policies to verify before selling
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Old 07-18-10, 07:01 PM   #31
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I completely understand if some refuses to sell something to someone with questionable ID, but a driver's license with a month old photo that JUST expired because the person hit their 25th birthday is not a reason not to sell to someone. It's NOT questionable. I don't care what anyone says. There is no law that sates a person has to show an ID at all, let alone an unexpired one. They check ID because it's illegal to sell to someone underage, and they don't want to make the mistake of assuming someone is legal when it turns out they're not. My ID proved I was of age. Period.
You know this for a fact? It's interesting that you know the letter of the law re: ID requirements, but you didn't know yours would expire when you turned 25...



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Old 07-18-10, 07:06 PM   #32
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

My license expired on the 11th and I had the same thing happen to me when I tried to buy a beer. It wasn't a big deal, I just went to a different store. I'm holding out on renewing until I move in August so I can have my correct address on my license. In Iowa you are required to have your current address on your license and I don't feel like taking time off work to go to the DMV twice in such a short time span. If someone gives me a hard time about it, I'll just go to the next store

As far as a grace period, google it for your state. I know here in Iowa my license is still valid for 60 days after it expires. After that and I think you have to take the drive test again. I suppose I could argue that my license is still valid until that grace period is up to the employee, but again, meh.
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Old 07-18-10, 10:29 PM   #33
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So if you are a tourist what do you swipe? Their countries ID?
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Old 07-19-10, 01:57 AM   #34
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

About 10 years ago I moved from Idaho to Vancouver, BC. A few years ago I visited my family in Idaho, and at the time I was smoking. I ran down to a local Chevron station and asked for a pack of smokes. I was round 36 at the time and she asked me for my ID, I obliged and I was stunned when she told me she couldn't sell me them because it wasn't a US issued drivers license. I was stunned, and surprisingly I didn't make a stink about it but just drove down to the next store and bought them there. Maybe someone can shed some light if this is in fact a law, but I find it really hard to believe that a valid Canadian drivers license will allow you to drive in the US but not buy cigarettes. I really wish I would have made a big stink about it but I was somewhat in a hurry and didn't want to bother.
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Old 07-19-10, 02:07 AM   #35
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So let me get this straight. The op apparently has an entitlement syndrome that dictates that everyone should do what he wants at any given time. If they do not, even though they were told by their "bosses" not to do it, they should do it anyways.

Sorry, you are worth way less than the clerks job when you walk into that store.
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Old 07-19-10, 02:17 AM   #36
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

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I completely understand if some refuses to sell something to someone with questionable ID, but a driver's license with a month old photo that JUST expired because the person hit their 25th birthday is not a reason not to sell to someone. It's NOT questionable. I don't care what anyone says. There is no law that sates a person has to show an ID at all, let alone an unexpired one. They check ID because it's illegal to sell to someone underage, and they don't want to make the mistake of assuming someone is legal when it turns out they're not. My ID proved I was of age. Period.
For what it's worth, I agree with you. The problem is that the government has set up high fines for stores that sell tobacco to minors so the store owners have made rules that say that you must have a valid state issued ID card to buy tobacco. They are just covering their ass. As far as the clerk goes, they are just following rules, if they bend them because your license is two or three days past the expiration they could possibly lose their job.

And of course, you should stop smoking. You would save a lot of cash and will improve your health down the road.

Flip through this document: The Health Benefits of Smoking Cessation: A Report of the Surgeon General
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Old 07-19-10, 02:35 AM   #37
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So let me get this straight. The op apparently has an entitlement syndrome that dictates that everyone should do what he wants at any given time. If they do not, even though they were told by their "bosses" not to do it, they should do it anyways.

Sorry, you are worth way less than the clerks job when you walk into that store.
Duhhhh, he's an Otter, of COURSE "everyone should do what he wants at any given time". Where have YOU been?


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Old 07-19-10, 07:21 AM   #38
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

A guy in front of me at the grocery store was buying cigarettes in ND and they required his license be scanned, he was pretty mad and the clerk just kept saying "it's the new machines." Not sure if that's North Dakota law now, but I'd think that would tick people off.
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Old 07-19-10, 07:38 AM   #39
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Duhhhh, he's an Otter, of COURSE "everyone should do what he wants at any given time". Where have YOU been?


Unfortunately, what the clerk wants to do is see valid ID before he sells cigs.

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Old 07-19-10, 11:18 AM   #40
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Re: You have to have a valid driver's licence to buy tobacco?

I was once denied beer in a California grocery store because I didn't have a California driver's license.
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Old 07-19-10, 12:12 PM   #41
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Lived in Illinois for a time, but still had my Minny driver's licence. Tried to buy some beer at a store and the guy stared at the license for like 3-4 minutes. It was not expired, but he decided that it was and refused to sell to me, insisting that it was expired even when I showed him the date when it did expire.

He wouldn't budge on the issue. I had to leave and find another store, where I had no problems.
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Old 07-19-10, 03:33 PM   #42
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New Indiana law is that everyone is carded for alcohol with no exceptions when purchasing at a store. In a bar/restaurant, it is at the server's discretion.
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Old 07-20-10, 10:12 AM   #43
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I thought that this was interesting: when Super Walmart scans your ID when you buy cigarettes, it is storing the information in a database.

The short story is that this guy (sex offender / killer) kidnapped a 4 year old girl in Missouri, bought her some new clothes at a Super Walmart and also bought some cigarettes, paying with cash. He let the girl go a couple of days later, apparently unharmed. The police figured out where her clothes had been bought and used the store’s database to find the guy since he had also bought cigarettes. He killed himself as police closed in.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/m...27992bc8b.html

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After Alisa was found July 6 at the car wash in Fenton, police traced her clothing to a Walmart supercenter in Troy, Mo. A surveillance camera at the store captured video of Paul Smith buying the clothing and cigarettes with cash. The clerk checked his identification, which helped police track him to the cabin in Hawk Point.
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Old 07-20-10, 02:06 PM   #44
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I tried to get a beer at a hockey game when I was 27 or 28 and I only had my German passport, no driver's license, and the guy didn't give me a beer. He told me that it could be a fake passport. Speaking German to him to prove my point didn't help either.
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