Michael Jackson to hospital in cardiac arrest (Dead)

[The Edit King]

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

WOW!

There's HOPE for this generation afterall!

[slop101]

Originally Posted by The Edit King

WOW!

There's HOPE for this generation afterall!

That's nuthin'

Here's a family band - the singer/guitarist is the oldest at 16, his little brother on bass is 14 and the little sister on drums is only 9 - and they're awesome:

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by slop101

That's nuthin'

Here's a family band - the singer/guitarist is the oldest at 16, his little brother on bass is 14 and the little sister on drums is only 9 - and they're awesome:

Great. Buuuuut were they playing with MJ in his last days Mr. One-up-man?

I'm sure we could all post vids of kick-ass playin' if we set our minds to it.

[Mrs. Danger]

Latest news flash: Fred Phelps seems determined to be a martyr. He's planning to protest MJ's funeral.

http://laist.com/2009/07/03/god_hates_fred_phelps.php

[Deftones]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Danger

Latest news flash: Fred Phelps seems determined to be a martyr. He's planning to protest MJ's funeral.

http://laist.com/2009/07/03/god_hates_fred_phelps.php

as much of a disgusting human as i think this guy is, this is probably one time i'm ok with him doing what he does.

[The Edit King]

07/07/2009 Staples Center - Michael Wacko Jacko Jackson is in hell! 1111 S. Figueroa St WBC will be there to remind you to stop worshiping the dead. We will be there to tell you to Thank God for the death of this filthy, adulterous, idolatrous, gender-confused, nationality-confused, unthankful brute beast. We will be there to remind you that God Killed Wacko Jacko. There is a God, and a Day of Judgment. For you to wallow and murmur against God for his righteous Judgments is sin and will cause YOU to join Michael in hell.

Looks like they forgot the word 'Pedophile', but it still sounds similar to the tone of hate I've already heard in this thread.

-Paul

[Jason]

"Brute beast"?

Do they even know who Michael Jackson was?

[The Edit King]

Originally Posted by Jason

"Brute beast"?

Do they even know who Michael Jackson was?

I believe they're comparing MJ to those spoken of in Scripture.

2 Peter 2:12 says something to the effect:

'But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.'

Entire Chapter:

Spoiler:

(1) But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2) Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. (3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
(4) For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; (5) if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; (6) if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; (7) and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men (8) (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— (9) if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment. (10) This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; (11) yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. (12) But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.

(13) They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you. (14) With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! (15) They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Beor, who loved the wages of wickedness. (16) But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—a beast without speech—who spoke with a man's voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

(17) These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. (18) For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. (19) They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. (20) If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. (21) It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. (22) Of them the proverbs are true: "A dog returns to its vomit,"and, "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."

[Deftones]

Originally Posted by The Edit King

Looks like they forgot the word 'Pedophile', but it still sounds similar to the tone of hate I've already heard in this thread.

-Paul

tone of hate? i'd say pretty much most of it is/was justified.

[mrpayroll]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...65,print.story

From the Los Angeles Times

Investigators focus on five Jackson doctors

They want to know who prescribed drugs for the singer, especially the powerful sedative Diprivan.

By Scott Glover, Rong-Gong Lin II and Cara Mia DiMassa

July 5, 2009

Investigators are focusing on at least five doctors who prescribed drugs to Michael Jackson as they try to unravel the circumstances surrounding the pop star's death, according to law enforcement sources.

Authorities removed drugs and other medical evidence from the Holmby Hills mansion where Jackson was stricken and are trying to determine whether the medications were properly prescribed and whether they played any role in his death.

The names on some of the prescriptions were Jackson pseudonyms, and in some cases, the drugs had no prescription labels on them at all, the sources told The Times.

One of the most significant clues so far is the discovery of what one source described as "numerous bottles" of the powerful sedative Diprivan at the home. The source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because it is an ongoing investigation, said some of the bottles were full and others were empty. None had prescription labels, and investigators are trying to determine how Jackson got the drugs.

Diprivan is an extremely potent drug that is supposed to be dispensed by a person trained to administer anesthesia, such as an anesthesiologist or a certified registered nurse anesthetist, and it is typically used in hospitals. Experts expressed alarm that it would be used at a private home.

"It's a very dangerous drug if self-administered or administered by someone not trained in airway management and cardiac life support," said Ethan Bryson, an assistant professor of anesthesiology at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine in New York. "You need to have someone who knows what they are doing when they administer it."

Diprivan, the market name for propofol, is one of the most widely used IV drugs for general anesthesia. The product label from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration says a patient being given the drug should be monitored at all times for early signs of abnormally low blood pressure, low oxygen levels and stopped breathing. Problems with the heart or breathing are more likely to occur after rapid administration of the drug. The label states that equipment to provide artificial ventilation, supplemental oxygen, and cardiopulmonary resuscitation "must be immediately available."

It's unclear whether any of this equipment was found in Jackson's home.

Abuse of Diprivan is a growing problem, said Paul Wischmeyer, an anesthesiologist at the University of Colorado.

Wischmeyer co-wrote a 2007 study of Diprivan abuse for the journal Anesthesia & Analgesia. The study found that in an e-mail survey of 126 academic anesthesiology training programs nationwide, 18% of departments reported one or more incidents of Diprivan abuse in the previous 10 years. Of the 25 individuals who abused propofol, seven died as a result, including six who were residents, according to the journal study.

"A lot of people do it because it makes you completely blotto. It totally takes away all anxiety, all fear," Wischmeyer said. "It's incredibly relieving of pain, anxiety and stress. People do it to escape."

He said that he has seen people take the drug to relieve anxiety and that many people he has interviewed at rehab centers who are trying to kick an addiction "experienced trauma earlier in their life and are using it to escape."

It remains unknown whether prescription drugs played any role in Jackson's death. The Los Angeles County coroner's office is awaiting the results of toxicology testing before determining a cause of death.

The coroner and the Los Angeles Police Department are being aided in their probe by the Drug Enforcement Administration. The California attorney general's office has also offered assistance. Both agencies have expertise in investigating doctors suspected of improperly prescribing drugs.

The attorney general's office investigated doctors who were charged earlier this year with supplying model Anna Nicole Smith with addictive prescription drugs in the years before she died. The DEA is expected to investigate whether doctors who prescribed medication for Jackson had a face-to-face relationship with him and provided a diagnosis, as required by law.

Diprivan surfaced in the Jackson case last week when a nurse, Cherilyn Lee, said the singer complained to her earlier this year about having insomnia and asked her to get Diprivan for him.

Lee said she told Jackson, "This medication is not safe." She said she never saw him take the drug.

J. Randy Taraborrelli, a Jackson biographer, said the singer was in pain in recent years and had trouble sleeping. "This was a person who would have paid anything -- done anything -- to get a decent night's sleep," he said. "I'm not sure Michael Jackson got a decent night's sleep without medicinal aid."

But experts said Diprivan should never be used for insomnia. John F. Dombrowski of Baltimore, a member of the American Society of Anesthesiologists, said that in a hospital setting, he has EKG equipment, a blood pressure cuff and a blood-oxygen monitor in order to watch a patient's status. Also on hand in a hospital is supplemental oxygen, he said.

"But unless you have a trained physician to rescue that patient, all of the monitors in the world mean nothing. Machines are great, but this is where you need the skill set of a physician."

scott.glover@latimes.com

ron.lin@latimes.com

cara.dimassa@latimes.com

Times staff writers Kimi Yoshino, Harriet Ryan and Andrew Blankstein contributed to this report.

Chris

[mrpayroll]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090705/..._jackson/print

More than 1 million seek tix for Jackson memorial
1 hr 21 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – More than 1.2 million people have now registered to get tickets for Michael Jackson's memorial service next week.

Only 11,000 tickets will be given out for the Tuesday service at Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles. Another 6,500 tickets will be given away for the Nokia Theater overflow section next door.

The only way to get tickets is to register for free at staplescenter.com. After 6 p.m. Saturday, 8,750 names will be randomly selected to receive two tickets each.

Notifications will go out on Sunday.

City officials are preparing for massive crowds. Assistant Police Chief Earl Paysinger says anywhere from a quarter-million to 700,000 people may try to reach the arena, even though a wide area around Staples Center will be sealed off to those without tickets.

City Councilwoman Jan Perry strongly urged people to stay home and watch the memorial on TV. The ceremony will not be shown on Staples' giant outdoor TV screen and there will be no funeral procession through the city.

No details were given about the actual memorial events, which come as the nation's second-largest city struggles with a $530 million budget deficit. Perry said the cost of police protection for "extraordinary" events like the memorial is built into the Police Department's budget, but she still solicited help for "incremental costs."

Last month, donations covered about $850,000 of the city's $1 million cost for the Los Angeles Lakers' NBA championship parade. Critics had blasted the idea of using city money when it is considering layoffs to close its budget gap.

They just need to do a PPV HD showing of his funeral.

Chris

[mrpayroll]

And I wanted to see more of the drummer that did more in 5 years of drumming than I have done in my last 33 years as a drummer! I wish I felt that freedom that she does playing in front of a large crowd.

I only play in front of about 70 people each Sunday morning and I've not felt the freedom that she has felt.

Chris

[calhoun07]

Originally Posted by Deftones

Michael probably had nightmares because of all the sick shit he did with kids.

I am not a fan of his by any means, but reading that Stephen King story with the phone number let me know how far removed from any semblance of reality and the ability to function in society Michael Jackson really was. It boggles my mind that he was permitted to raise THREE children. Not because of your allegations (and allegations of so many others) but because he obviously wasn't playing with a full deck.

That said, the more I think about it the more I actually don't believe he did anything to those kids. Did he let them share his bed? No doubt about it...he says that himself on camera, so there is absolutely NO denying that. But sexual contact? Dude, they found Bill Clinton's stain on Monica's dress. The way the Federal agents tore apart that mansion and combed over everything they could, there would have been SOMETHING with his sperm in it that linked him back to a kid. A stain in a kid's pair of underwear. On the kid's pants. SOMETHING. But they found NOTHING.

Yes, he shared his bed with them, but in his state of mind, I am positive he saw it as innocent. No more unusual to him (or sexual) than a parent who shares their bed with their children, or a person sharing a bed with their pet.

If I thought he was guilty, I'd say sling him to the wolves. But he stood trial in our justice system that says we are innocent until proven guilty, and he was proven innocent. And that should raise more questions about the parents who saw a potential pay out because of what happened in 1993. If Michael Jackson is guilty of anything, it's poor judgment...after 1993 happened he should have stopped having kids over. I am sure he wasn't doing anything to those kids sexually, but just to avoid any future allegations. But that could tie back to the Stephen King story. He obviously wasn't in the right state of mind...he really did seem to live a fantasy life in every literal sense. A grown man who aspired to be Peter Pan...a kid who never grows old...and whatever he did to himself to make his voice like that for all his life...I am not certain he possessed the ability to have good judgment. I think somebody close to him needs to answer for why they let the kids keep coming into his ranch, just like somebody needs to answer for how he got the drugs he had in his home.

[Living Dead]

Tickets to the memorial are already for sale on ebay. I wish I'd thought of that. I would have registered.

[Franchot]

Originally Posted by calhoun07

Yes, he shared his bed with them, but in his state of mind, I am positive he saw it as innocent. No more unusual to him (or sexual) than a parent who shares their bed with their children, or a person sharing a bed with their pet.

I bolded the word in your statement. That's quite a bold statement to make unless you were actually there or have talked directly to Jackson about this and he convinced you of his innocence. (Maybe you've been drinking too much of the "Jesus Juice" tonight. )

http://www.mental-health-matters.com...article&id=519

Though there is no hard and fast profile of a pedophile, here are some general characteristics:

* Popular with both children and adults.
* Appears to be trustworthy and respectable. Has good standing in the community.
* Prefers the company of children. Feels more comfortable with children than adults. Is mainly attracted to prepubescent boys and girls. Can be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.
* "Grooms" children with quality time, video games, parties, candy, toys, gifts, money.
* Singles out children who seem troubled and in need of attention or affection.
* Often dates or marries women with children that are the age of his preferred victims.
* Rarely forces or coerces a child into sexual contact. Usually through trust and friendship. Physical contact is gradual, from touching, to picking up, to holding on lap, to kissing, etc.
* Derives gratification in a number of ways. For some, looking is enough. For others, taking pictures or watching children undress is enough. Still others require more contact.
* Finds different ways and places to be alone with children.
* Are primarily (but not always) male, masculine, better-educated, more religious than average, in their thirties, and choose jobs allowing them greater access to children.
* Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children, even after caught, convicted, incarcerated, and court-ordered into a sex offender program. The marriage is often troubled by sexual dysfunction, and serves as a smokescreen for the pedophile's true preferences and practices.
* Are often, but not always, themselves victims of some form of childhood sexual abuse.
* Even if the pedophile has no children, his home is usually child-friendly, with toys, books, video games, computers, bikes, swing sets, skateboards, rec room, pool, snacks - things to attract children to his home and keep them coming back. Usually the items reflect the preferred age of his victims.
* A female pedophile usually abuses a child when partnered with an adult male pedophile, and is often herself a victim of chronic sexual abuse.
* A pedophile can act independently, or be involved in an organized ring, including the Internet, NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association), and other pro-pedophilia groups. Some pedophiles recognize that their behavior is criminal, immoral, and unacceptable by society, and operate in secrecy. Some are quite open and militant about their practices and advocate the normalization of pedophilia under the guise of freedom of speech and press, and uses innocuous language like "intergenerational intimacy."

Originally Posted by calhoun07

If Michael Jackson is guilty of anything, it's poor judgment...after 1993 happened he should have stopped having kids over. I am sure he wasn't doing anything to those kids sexually, but just to avoid any future allegations.

Pedophilia is a mental disease which you cannot simply "switch off" if you choose. That's something I don't think you're seeing. He should have stopped having kids over, but a pedophile can't just stop lusting after kids. (Just like most heroin addicts can't say, "Tomorrow I'll never use heroin again.") Jackson couldn't stop himself; it was in his wiring to want to be with children.

And as far as finding evidence...there's different degrees of molestation. Though probably not a sodomite, Jackson (as I've read) was into masturbating with young boys. Many pedophiles are very clever about concealing their activities. And with all of Jackson's money, the art of deception is that much easier.

[mickey65]

Originally Posted by Franchot

I bolded the word in your statement. That's quite a bold statement to make unless you were actually there or have talked directly to Jackson about this and he convinced you of his innocence. (Maybe you've been drinking too much of the "Jesus Juice" tonight. )

http://www.mental-health-matters.com...article&id=519





Pedophilia is a mental disease that you can simply "switch off" if you choose. That's something I don't think you're seeing. He should have stopped having kids over, but a pedophile can't just stop lusting after kids. (Just like most heroin addicts can't say, "Tomorrow I'll never use heroin again.") Jackson couldn't stop himself; in was in his wiring to want to be with children.

And as far as finding evidence...there's different degrees of molestation. Though probably not a sodomite, Jackson (as I've read) was into masturbating with young boys. Many pedophiles are very clever about concealing their activities. And with all of Jackson's money, the art of deception is that much easier.

Wow, that list you posted about the signs of a Pedo - totally describe MJ. There's no way at all to discount it all as "innocent" - he had all the classic signs of one...

[mhg83]

Originally Posted by Franchot

I bolded the word in your statement. That's quite a bold statement to make unless you were actually there or have talked directly to Jackson about this and he convinced you of his innocence. (Maybe you've been drinking too much of the "Jesus Juice" tonight. )

http://www.mental-health-matters.com...article&id=519





Pedophilia is a mental disease that you can simply "switch off" if you choose. That's something I don't think you're seeing. He should have stopped having kids over, but a pedophile can't just stop lusting after kids. (Just like most heroin addicts can't say, "Tomorrow I'll never use heroin again.") Jackson couldn't stop himself; in was in his wiring to want to be with children.

And as far as finding evidence...there's different degrees of molestation. Though probably not a sodomite, Jackson (as I've read) was into masturbating with young boys. Many pedophiles are very clever about concealing their activities. And with all of Jackson's money, the art of deception is that much easier.

How can you switch off Pedophilia if its in your wiring? That's kind of contradicting.

[Franchot]

Originally Posted by mhg83

How can you switch off Pedophilia if its in your wiring? That's kind of contradicting.

You're so right! I was tired and writing that late at night and incorrectly worded the sentence. I've edited the original post to read: "Pedophilia is a mental disease which you cannot simply "switch off" if you choose."

Thanks for catching that very important mistake.

[General Zod]

Originally Posted by Living Dead

Tickets to the memorial are already for sale on ebay. I wish I'd thought of that. I would have registered.

There's been an official Michael Jackson fanclub for a very long time now. What I would have done is offer the free tickets to anyone who was a member of that fanclub prior to his death because I'd say a good chunk of people who signed up for the free tickets probably just did it to resell them.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by General Zod

There's been an official Michael Jackson fanclub for a very long time now. What I would have done is offer the free tickets to anyone who was a member of that fanclub prior to his death because I'd say a good chunk of people who signed up for the free tickets probably just did it to resell them.

True, and the people who had been in the fan club the longest should have been first in line for those tickets.

[mickey65]

I saw on TV today that the Jackson family won't be giving out the selected tickets to the winners until tomorrow now.

That's going to put a crimp on those eBay sellers, and also the folks scheduling flights...

[RichC2]

They're showing the Simpsons episode with Jackson tonight (With Jackson voicing a giant white dude. Think this is the oldest primetime Simpsons they've shown in a while), for some reason it always gave him a wee bit of credit in my mind as to having a sense of humor about himself. Mildly creepy after the pedo allegations, though.

"Put him in there with the big white guy who thinks he's the little black guy."

[Jason]

Originally Posted by RichC2

They're showing the Simpsons episode with Jackson tonight (With Jackson voicing a giant white dude. Think this is the oldest primetime Simpsons they've shown in a while), for some reason it always gave him a wee bit of credit in my mind as to having a sense of humor about himself. Mildly creepy after the pedo allegations, though.

"Put him in there with the big white guy who thinks he's the little black guy."

Has South Park ran their MJ episode again yet?

[mhg83]

[Nick Danger]

Though there is no hard and fast profile of a pedophile, here are some general characteristics:

* Popular with both children and adults.
* Appears to be trustworthy and respectable. Has good standing in the community.
* Can be heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.
* Rarely forces or coerces a child into sexual contact.
* Are primarily (but not always) male, masculine, better-educated, more religious than average, in their thirties.
* Are usually family men, have no criminal record, and deny that they abuse children

Well there you go!

Spoiler:

Fnord!