When 8 is more than enough!

[Septemberbaby]

Originally Posted by emptysky

I don't think there are any laws on this in the United States, only guidelines from medical committees and associations.

Maybe no laws.. but can there be sanctions from the AMA? I'm not following this story that close.. was she implanted? Do we know if she was implanted in the US? If so, this was a very unethical thing to do.

[emptysky]

Originally Posted by lordwow

You'd have to be fucking insane to use your student loan money for this when you're bankrupt. Doesn't she realize that the gov't will destroy you if you don't pay back Federal student loans?

The desire for 14 children shows she's well past that point already.

[fujishig]

Originally Posted by lordwow

You'd have to be fucking insane to use your student loan money for this when you're bankrupt. Doesn't she realize that the gov't will destroy you if you don't pay back Federal student loans?

Where did you get that from? The neighbor saying that she was a student?

We don't have much concrete evidence, because they're unwilling to share information. I think we can safely say that she's either not married, or the guy is off somewhere else, because I'm sure the media would've picked up on the husband being there during birth. (the original speculation was that the guy going back to Iraq was the father, but he's the grandfather).

[10-7]

Originally Posted by Max Bottomtime

14 kids at $500.00 a kid is $7,000.00 Welfare a month, plus wic, plus food stamps, plus section 8, and of course Medical is paying the hospital bill and the well baby care. She stands to make well over $10,000 per month. She's laughing all the way to the unemployment office.

Is that really how it works in CA? I don't believe it works that way here. I'm not entirely sure but I think there is a cap in my state where, once you reach a certain number, more kids doesn't equal more money, or possibly the amount per child falls exponentially.

[pedagogue]

The cap should be 2. Anything over 2 is your own damn problem. Irresponsible parenting. There is NO WAY she can care for 14 kids, and I wouldn't be surprised if the state needs to step in (spend more tax dollars) and deal with her bad decision making.

[D.Pham00]

i'm surprised she's not on section 8.

and i heard the father on tv...he said and i'm paraphrasing, "she didn't want more children, well, she did, but just not that many". ummm...she used fertility methods to get pregnant after already having 6 kids previously...she CHOSE not to abort some of the fetuses. SHE made the DECISION!

btw, she has a nanny or something already for the other 6 kids, they interviewed her on tv.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by D.Pham00

i'm surprised she's not on section 8.

and i heard the father on tv...he said and i'm paraphrasing, "she didn't want more children, well, she did, but just not that many". ummm...she used fertility methods to get pregnant after already having 6 kids previously...she CHOSE not to abort some of the fetuses. SHE made the DECISION!

btw, she has a nanny or something already for the other 6 kids, they interviewed her on tv.

The point was she wasn't expecting all 8 to take. No one ever does. So when they did, she didn't want to abort. Big deal. It's her body.

[Sean O'Hara]

Originally Posted by fujishig

So the natural rebuttal is going to be... you're going to make the kids suffer for being born (if you deny them gov. aid, if/when they need it)?

It's the only way to counteract the evolutionary forces that allow idiots to proliferate.

[D.Pham00]

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

The point was she wasn't expecting all 8 to take. No one ever does. So when they did, she didn't want to abort. Big deal. It's her body.

well, it seems like she's already a burden on her parents with 6 kids, adding 8 more is gonna make it much worse. I feel sorry for her parents here.

BTW ON, to me, if she wants to have 50 or 100 babies, that's fine, so long as SHE can take care of them HER OWN. This obviously isn't the case here.

[ChefWinduAZ]

Well turns out that all 14 kids were conceived through in vitro and according to the grandmother the woman has an obssesion with having kids. I wonder how long it will be before the child welfare steps in.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D96261D00.html

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by ChefWinduAZ

Well turns out that all 14 kids were conceived through in vitro and according to the grandmother the woman has an obssesion with having kids. I wonder how long it will be before the child welfare steps in.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D96261D00.html

Since she loves having babies she should sell her services to couples who can't.

She gets to have babies come out of her and a couple gets kids.

Seriously, it's a win win.

[Franchot]

Originally Posted by ChefWinduAZ

Well turns out that all 14 kids were conceived through in vitro and according to the grandmother the woman has an obssesion with having kids. I wonder how long it will be before the child welfare steps in.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D96261D00.html

So, she's just like those obsessive cat women who choose to stockpile their houses with kitties.

(This hasn't been confirmed yet, but it was reported out her in LA that the sperm donor is a friend of hers and that he is a police officer. Also, that the police officer is married and his wife had no idea that he is a sperm donor.)

[BernieStolar]

People on welfare shouldn't be allowed to have anymore kids. The culture of people that believe welfare is a way of life needs to end.

[Franchot]

UPDATE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/...e_us/octuplets

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

LOS ANGELES – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

"It can't go on any longer," she said in a phone interview Friday. "She's got six children and no husband. I was brought up the traditional way. I firmly believe in marriage. But she didn't want to get married."

Nadya Suleman, 33, gave birth Monday in nearby Bellflower. She was expected to remain in the hospital for at least a few more days, and her newborns for at least a month.

A spokeswoman at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center said the babies were were progressing daily, with all eight breathing unassisted and being tube-fed.

While her daughter recovers, Angela Suleman is taking care of the other six children, ages 2 through 7, at the family home in Whittier, about 15 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her mother and doctors have said the woman was told she had the option to abort some of the embryos and, later, the fetuses. She refused.

Her mother said she does not believe her daughter will have any more children.

"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

Nadya Suleman wanted to have children since she was a teenager, "but luckily she couldn't," her mother said.

"Instead of becoming a kindergarten teacher or something, she started having them, but not the normal way," he mother said.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

"Maybe she wouldn't have had so many kids then, but she is a grown woman," Angela Suleman said. "I feel responsible and I didn't want to throw her out."

Little psychological research has been conducted on the reasons some mothers seem hooked on repeated pregnancies. David Diamond, a co-director for the Center for Reproductive Psychology in San Diego, said mothers can be drawn to repeat pregnancies for a number of reasons, with some finding the experience so satisfying they choose to become surrogates.

Diane G. Sanford, a psychologist and author specializing in women's reproductive mental health, said while she doesn't know much about Nadya Suleman's background, women that have obsessive-compulsive disorder can become fixated on different obsessions.

"Her obsession centers around children, having children and being a mother," she said. "To what degree are her esteem and identity based on being a mom and why has this from a young age been such a preoccupation of hers?"

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

Nadya Suleman holds a 2006 degree in child and adolescent development from California State University, Fullerton, and as late as last spring she was studying for a master's degree in counseling, college spokeswoman Paula Selleck told the Press-Telegram.

Her fertility doctor has not been identified. Her mother told the Los Angeles Times all the children came from the same sperm donor but she declined to identify him.

Birth certificates reviewed by The Associated Press identify a David Solomon as the father for the four oldest children. Certificates for the other children were not immediately available.

Angela Suleman told reporters Friday that doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs.

The news that the octuplets' mother already had six children sparked an ethical debate. Some medical experts were disturbed to hear that she was offered fertility treatment, and troubled by the possibility that she was implanted with so many embryos.

"You should always shoot for one," said Dr. Marcelle Cedars, a professor and director of reproductive health at the University of California, San Francisco, Medical Center, who worried about the increased risk of potential health complications for the babies.

Others worried that she would be overwhelmed trying to raise so many children and would end up relying on public support.

"This woman could not comprehend the ramifications of having eight children of the same age at the same time," said Judith Horowitz, a Parkland, Fla.-based psychologist and author who works with couples on fertility issues. "After Pampers stops delivering the free diapers, then what?"

The eight babies — six boys and two girls — were delivered by cesarean section weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. Forty-six physicians and staff assisted in the deliveries.

[SPiRAL]

My mom's friend is one of the three Dr's who delivered the babies.

[Canadian Bacon]

I wish I had 8 naked girls



AT ONCE!!!!

[D.Pham00]

"And she said it's because she got paid for it."

i thought it was illegal to sell babies for money? or did someone say, gee, i want this woman to have 14 babies, so i'm going to pay for her invitro treatment, but get nothing in return?

[pedagogue]

She is still irresponsible. There is no way she should have made it past a psych screening. After 6 going for more invitro....knowing the chances of multiples. What a nutjob.

[crazyronin]

Another update.

Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star.

THE single mother of octuplets born in California last week is seeking $2m (£1.37m) from media interviews and commercial sponsorship to help pay the cost of raising the children.

Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday. She now has 14 below the age of eight.

Although still confined to an LA hospital bed, she intends to talk to two influential television hosts this week — media mogul Oprah Winfrey, and Diane Sawyer, who presents Good Morning America.

Her family has told agents she needs cash from deals such as nappy sponsorship — she will get through 250 a week in the next few months — and the agents will gauge public reaction to her story.

Her earning power, though, could be diminished by a growing ethical and medical controversy. Experts believe that the unnamed fertility specialists who gave her in vitro fertilisation (IVF) should not have implanted so many embryos, and in choosing to carry all eight to term, Suleman ignored guidelines, risking both their health and her own.

US public reaction has been mixed: many have asked how an unemployed single mother can raise 14 children, as her first six have already strained the family budget. Angela and Ed Suleman, Nadya’s parents,bought her a two-bedroom bungalow in the suburb of Whittier in March 2007, but soon after got into debt and had to leave their own home.

They filed for bankruptcy and moved in with their daughter and grandchildren. Last week her father said he would return to his native Iraq to work as a translator and driver.

Angela Suleman, who is caring for the first six children — one of whom is autistic — while her daughter is in hospital, said yesterday that she had consulted a psychologist over Nadya’s “obsession with children”.

Nadya Suleman, who describes herself as a “professional student” living off education grants and parental money, broke up with her boyfriend before the birth of her first child seven years ago.

The identity of the octuplets’ father remains unknown, but local reports suggest they were conceived with frozen sperm donated by a friend she met while working at a fertility clinic. He is the father of her twins, born two years ago.

Michael Tucker of the Georgia Reproductive Clinic, Atlanta, said Suleman’s story stunned him. “We are policed by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, which frowns upon implanting more than two or three embryos at a time. It is remarkable that any practitioner would undertake such a practice.”

The babies, born nine weeks prematurely by C-section, were attended to by 46 medical staff, who expected seven babies. When the eighth — a boy — appeared, doctors were “confounded”.

Angela Suleman said her daughter was advised to terminate some of the embryos in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy for the sake of her health, but she refused because she did not know how to make such a life-or-death decision.

“She doesn’t have any more, so it’s over now. It has to be,” said the grandmother.

[Franchot]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think that Nadya Suleman should peddle her "act" on the Maury Povich show.

[dieinafire]

Now that we know more about this woman, what a fucking selfish, stupid bitch. I said she was selfish, and had issues in my first comment, I was wrong, she is more selfish, and fucked up than I could have imagined.

[D.Pham00]

Originally Posted by crazyronin

Another update.

so, like i said before:

Originally Posted by D.Pham00

fame. and free money.

[mrpayroll]

I hope Oprah, Diane and any other journalist isn't stupid enough to give her one penny for her story. It isn't a story of a married couple, who for years tried to have kids the natural way and then decided to go with in vitro fertilisation to realize their dreams.

This is a person, who is only in it for herself, has no regard for the care of her 14 children and expects others to support her lifestyle for the rest of her life.

Chris

[Suprmallet]

I really do wonder how long it will take until the state steps in. The scrutiny on this woman is going to be intense, and it seems clear she's not good at managing money.

[riotinmyskull]

i've been reading a couple articles about this and has it been mentioned what sort of ethnicity this woman is? i'm just curious.