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Old 05-06-08, 02:20 PM   #126
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I think people are upset they can't post these things, but then see porn like pictures at the top of the screen. I know it bothers me and haven't really posted here because of it.
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Old 05-06-08, 02:24 PM   #127
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What pictures are at the top of the screen?
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Old 05-06-08, 02:25 PM   #128
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btw, I think most of us mods see this as a loosening of the current rules, not a tightening.

Many things (R rated pics) are still not allowed, but other things that would have gone to the Adult forum are allowed now - like the oldest virgin thread.
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Old 05-06-08, 02:26 PM   #129
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Old 05-06-08, 02:29 PM   #130
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The party 7 was on there earlier. I haven't seen 6th day add on my screen at all.
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Old 05-06-08, 02:56 PM   #131
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btw, I think most of us mods see this as a loosening of the current rules, not a tightening.

Many things (R rated pics) are still not allowed, but other things that would have gone to the Adult forum are allowed now - like the oldest virgin thread.
Are photos showing absolutely no nudity allowed?
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Old 05-06-08, 02:57 PM   #132
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Old 05-06-08, 03:39 PM   #133
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You can't expect people to fully realize right away that you took the Zodiac Rapist cover out of rotation. That was pretty prominent up there this past week.
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Old 05-06-08, 04:39 PM   #134
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Once again, there's really no change with respect to what's allowed in Other. People are trying to post things in Other that don't belong here and haven't belonged here, at least as long as I've been posting here. Then they act like there's some change to the policy of what is allowed here, when there isn't a change.
Let's say I used to have a washer and dryer combo, and got used to being able to wash and dry my clothes in the same spot. One day, it was stolen, and my insurance company only gave me enough money to get a washer. Now I have to walk 20 blocks through a sketchy neighborhood with wet clothes to the laundromat to dry them.

This isn't a change?
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Old 05-06-08, 04:47 PM   #135
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a sketchy neighborhood with wet clothes.

Sounds like Xcritic.....


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Old 05-06-08, 05:38 PM   #136
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Let's say I used to have a washer and dryer combo, and got used to being able to wash and dry my clothes in the same spot. One day, it was stolen, and my insurance company only gave me enough money to get a washer. Now I have to walk 20 blocks through a sketchy neighborhood with wet clothes to the laundromat to dry them.

This isn't a change?
If we're just talking about how the washer functions, then yes there is no change. I guess the analogy would be if you occasionally tried to dry your clothes in the washer. Your roommate used to move them over to the dryer for you where they belonged, only now they just dump them on the floor because you don't have a dryer anymore.
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Old 05-06-08, 06:06 PM   #137
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I see the point in that there's now nowhere to move the iffy topics to anymore.
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Old 05-06-08, 06:53 PM   #138
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If we're just talking about how the washer functions, then yes there is no change. I guess the analogy would be if you occasionally tried to dry your clothes in the washer. Your roommate used to move them over to the dryer for you where they belonged, only now they just dump them on the floor because you don't have a dryer anymore.
Or maybe he washes his clothes, but then wants to wack off on them but doesn't know where to do it, so he goes to the dryer, where he used to wack off but now the dryer is in someone else's house and...wait, what was the question?
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Old 05-06-08, 06:59 PM   #139
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I appreciate the efforts to clarify the rules. I also appreciate the hard work the mods have been doing.

But you do see why people are confused: Geoff posts a celebrity bikini photo and it gets deleted, Mrs Danger posts a suggestive drawing of feet and she get reprimanded, but (after some discussion) the Hulk member is allowed. The Hulkster, no matter how funny, is not safe for Amazon.
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Old 05-06-08, 07:36 PM   #140
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Old 05-06-08, 08:46 PM   #141
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I appreciate the efforts to clarify the rules. I also appreciate the hard work the mods have been doing.

But you do see why people are confused: Geoff posts a celebrity bikini photo and it gets deleted, Mrs Danger posts a suggestive drawing of feet and she get reprimanded, but (after some discussion) the Hulk member is allowed. The Hulkster, no matter how funny, is not safe for Amazon.
Linking with a potentially NSFW notation as the rules state makes all the difference.

And it wasn't a photo that got Geoff's post deleted.
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Old 05-06-08, 09:42 PM   #142
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Those are just links, before some of the actual content was here. Are you suggesting that those are equivalent and that we remove those things
Links to porn on different sites, links to stuff on dvdtalk. No difference.

All the porn content is still here, for all intents and purposes. The fact that is it technically on a different site means nothing. The way to access it is exactly the same as it was before the switch.

I'm not a prude that wants to suppress free speech, but I'm just saying that it is silly and disingenuous to say that dvdtalk is more family-friendly since the porn was moved. It wasn't moved, it is still here.
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Old 05-07-08, 03:06 AM   #143
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Look at it from our POV... Threads were getting closed/posts were getting edited because the mods were trying to enforce the standard that has always been in place in the Other Forum since the Adult Forum was split off. After the Adult Forum closed, people started posting more of that material here, even though the old standard was still in place. So in order to alleviate the confusion the mods/admins got together w/ the owners and codified the rules (again not adding anything new, just formalizing what we had already been doing) by which we're going to operate. Since then if you look at these threads the majority of the reaction has been negative, sometimes very negative, even though nothing really has changed. Sure there's still going to be some questions and minor issues we need to work through (like making sure the reviews get flagged properly) but I don't think I'm the only mod who was taken aback by the reaction.

The bottom line is these are the rules we're going to enforce. At this point IB doesn't seem to want an "R" level forum/content here. So while the "dirty joke" and "who do you consider hot that other people don't" type threads are allowed (as long as the individual posts stay within the guidelines), the BigJim's babe threads and other more explicit material that used to be found in the Adult Form aren't. If that starts to drive people away it's up to IB to decide what they want to do about it.


EDIT: I mean when you post threads like this http://forum.dvdtalk.com/other-talk/530935-thread-safe-work.html what else are we supposed to think. Talk about being condescending
Was it condescending? Perhaps, but only after mods have verbally dressed down posters for the past four days on these forums. Plus, it was funny, as evident by the many responses.
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Old 05-07-08, 03:07 AM   #144
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The bottom line is these are the rules we're going to enforce. At this point IB doesn't seem to want an "R" level forum/content here. So while the "dirty joke" and "who do you consider hot that other people don't" type threads are allowed (as long as the individual posts stay within the guidelines), the BigJim's babe threads and other more explicit material that used to be found in the Adult Form aren't. If that starts to drive people away it's up to IB to decide what they want to do about it.
And quite frankly, where is IB to hear our concerns? If they are not here, is it not the responsibility of the mods to bring said concerns to IB, given that they have an open line of communication with them?
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I dont know what the Happy Potter thing is so I can't comment on it.

The rules haven't really changed. Threads like the Slayer threads would be allowed, but just like those threads, details aren't allowed. When Slayer started delving into particular techniques or whatever, it was cut out. His constant begging for sex was allowed
Just to make it clear, those 'details' were never edited out of Slayer's threads prior to the XC spinoff. Afterwards, they were. So how is it that "the rules haven't really changed", considering that's blatant evidence that they have?
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Old 05-07-08, 03:13 AM   #146
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What pictures are at the top of the screen?
Honestly...are you kidding me?

This is condescending just by nature. I think the issues with "the pictures at the top of the screen" have been thoroughly documented.
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depends on the photo
Again, how is this a strict defining of the rules? Depends on what? How are we supposed to know?
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Old 05-07-08, 03:23 AM   #148
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Just to make it clear, those 'details' were never edited out of Slayer's threads prior to the XC spinoff. Afterwards, they were. So how is it that "the rules haven't really changed", considering that's blatant evidence that they have?
I believe what they are referring to is that the rules, as written, have not really changed. There was a bit of additional latitude given some material when there were porn review covers plastered in the adult forum AND on the main review page but the rules themselves were pretty much the same (the recent clarification provided dealt primarily with the level of enforcement).
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Old 05-07-08, 03:26 AM   #149
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And quite frankly, where is IB to hear our concerns? If they are not here, is it not the responsibility of the mods to bring said concerns to IB, given that they have an open line of communication with them?
IB is a large corporation and they are aware of what is being said, by whom, and are discussing what to do about it. Unlike a single owner proprietorship, they do not get to make snap decisions on the fly but they have been made aware of the situation (by phone and email).
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Links to porn on different sites, links to stuff on dvdtalk. No difference.

All the porn content is still here, for all intents and purposes. The fact that is it technically on a different site means nothing. The way to access it is exactly the same as it was before the switch.

I'm not a prude that wants to suppress free speech, but I'm just saying that it is silly and disingenuous to say that dvdtalk is more family-friendly since the porn was moved. It wasn't moved, it is still here.
If you equate the contractually obligated links to Xcritic and the porn (all 8500 or so reviews) actually being here (including those offensive covers of genitalia), then nothing will make you happy in that regard. It used to be accessed directly on the main review page, the front page (where the columns and contests ran), and in the Other forum whereas there are only links to the other website (no pictures, no text, no advertisements selling sex toys or the latest porn titles) so I respectfully disagree.
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