Jordanian father kills daughter; doubted virginity

mrpayroll · 01-25-07, 10:37 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/..._honor_killing

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By SHAFIKA MATTAR, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jan 25, 7:38 AM ET

AMMAN, Jordan - A Jordanian man fatally shot his 17-year-old daughter whom he suspected of having sex despite a medical exam that proved her chastity, an official said Thursday. The man surrendered to police hours after the killing, saying he had done it for family honor.

A state forensic pathologist, who works at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine in Amman where an autopsy was performed, said in a phone interview that the girl had run away from home several times for unknown reasons.

Weeks ago, the girl had returned home from a family protection clinic after doctors had vouched for her virginity and the father had signed a pledge not to harm her, the pathologist said on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the case.

"The tests proved that she was a virgin," the pathologist said. The girl returned home only after her father signed a statement promising not to harm her, he added.

The father shot the girl four times in the head on Tuesday. On Wednesday, an autopsy was performed that again showed "she was still a virgin," the pathologist said.

Authorities have not disclosed the names of the father or the daughter or even their hometown, saying only that they lived in a southern province.

The crime is the first "honor killing" this year in Jordan, where many men consider sex out of wedlock to be an almost indelible stain on a family's reputation. On average, about 20 women in the country are killed by their relatives in such cases each year. Women have been killed for simply dating.

Global human rights organizations have condemned such killings and appealed to King Abdullah II to put an end to them.

In response, the government has abolished a section in the penal code that allowed for "honor" killers to get sentences as lenient as six months in prison. Instead, the government has told judges to consider honor killings on a par with other homicides, which in Jordan are punishable by up to 15 years in jail.

But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked by conservative lawmakers who argue that tougher penalties would lead to promiscuity.

Queen Rania also has called for harsher punishment for such killers.

Up to 15 years in jail?

Chris

The Bus · 01-25-07, 10:41 AM

I guess losing all that money in the divorce really got to him. Now is not a good time to be like Mike.

Bronkster · 01-25-07, 10:41 AM

Well, he couldn't spank her, so what else could he do?

printerati · 01-25-07, 10:56 AM

I am reserving judgment on the father until the "pee in her butt" test results come back.

FantasticVSDoom · 01-25-07, 11:13 AM

Gotta love those crazy Jordanians...

Tarantino · 01-25-07, 11:26 AM

Pics?

(before the holes in the head)

= J

kvrdave · 01-25-07, 11:27 AM

We need to understand their culture.

Coral · 01-25-07, 11:32 AM

What a waste of a perfectly good virgin.

Michael Ballack · 01-25-07, 12:41 PM

That's how they get all the virgins in heaven. So this father is doing allah's will.

Mrs. Danger · 01-25-07, 12:57 PM

Stupid man.

Breakfast with Girls · 01-25-07, 01:06 PM

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But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked by conservative lawmakers who argue that tougher penalties would lead to promiscuity

Well, of course. When you're not scared of BEING MURDERED BY YOUR FATHER for having sex outside of marriage, yeah, I think that definitely reduces your inhibitions.

Dave99 · 01-25-07, 01:10 PM

such as peaceful religion.

Brian Shannon · 01-25-07, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

We need to understand their culture.

I'm afraid that is not possible.

Bronkster · 01-25-07, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kvrdave

We need to understand their culture.

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Originally Posted by Brian Shannon

I'm afraid that is not possible.

You need to understand his humor.

mrpayroll · 01-25-07, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronkster

You need to understand his humor.

Now THAT is not possible!

Chris

GIjon213 · 01-25-07, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarantino

Pics?

(before the holes in the head)

= J

Her with her mom. I don't know which one is which.

kvrdave · 01-25-07, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mrpayroll

Now THAT is not possible!

Chris

Kittydreamer · 01-25-07, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Danger

Stupid man.

Yup.

Josh-da-man · 01-25-07, 04:36 PM

Say what you will about the Islamic world, but they sure do take their "family values" seriously.

DRG · 01-25-07, 04:46 PM

Maybe she was a "technical virgin"? What does Islam say about that?

slop101 · 01-25-07, 05:06 PM

As if murder would've been justified even if she was an out-and-out whore.

I don't understand how any woman could ever seriously be muslim, as they are treated more like cattle than people.

spainlinx0 · 01-25-07, 05:08 PM

I guess the same way people can't understand how a woman could stay in an abusive relationship.

fargreg · 01-25-07, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101

As if murder would've been justified even if she was an out-and-out whore.

I don't understand how any woman could ever seriously be muslim, as they are treated more like cattle than people.

It has nothing to do with the religion, it is a cultural thing... The Greeks treated their women just as bad.

El Scorcho · 01-25-07, 05:24 PM

Maybe he knew she played the "Just the Tip" game with the guy.

kvrdave · 01-25-07, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101

I don't understand how any woman could ever seriously be muslim, as they are treated more like cattle than people.

Generally the alternative is death.

Actually, that's about a push for most of them.

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