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Old 10-05-06, 06:01 PM   #1
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just won a live tourney!

wow, that was fun. first i barely get there in time...actually a few minutes late. and that was all after i barely even got there AT ALL (car running on fumes).

anyways, finally get my seat and i play tight for awhile...won a decent pot with AA. another when my ace high flush hit on the turn. never really chased too much, never really bluffed. just sat back since there was 148 people. nothing much you can do except play smart and tight and wait for hands.

and its one of those tourneys i never thought id have a chance (ill explain more later).

so i make it to the first break, then 2nd...doing ok with probably an average stack.

but the problem at this tourney is the blinds rise FAST. double every 10 minutes or so. its crazy. so eventually people start having to go all in with anything. people start dropping almost every hand. you see all in fests with J2 vs 87. so many people are forced all in. (hence i never thought i could win because theres just not much you can do with such high blinds)

and now, of course the same is true for me - gotta go all in. i had 22000 in chips but lost a bad hand and was down to 5000. blinds are now 10000/20000 and ive given up. probably like 25 people left at this time - top 10 get paid (final table).

so i go all in blind about to walk away but my ace high held up. that got me up to 15000 (tripled up throught the blinds). go all in next hand with AK and double up again. so now im at over 30000 in chips! but like i said, the blinds are so big that it doesnt really matter what you have - theres always an all in and you just gotta get lucky at the right time.

somehow (alot of my memory is foggy since im still so giddy) i knock out the 11th guy and we are all at the final table - and im the chip leader with 102000!

blinds are now 20000/40000 and will be 40000/80000 in 3 minutes. seriously crazy shit. whoever wins the next hand always becomes chip leader. fortunately i survived a round when teh SB folded to me. so i sat back with my chips, and watched them get knocked out. down to 9,8,7...every hand or so someone goes out. (funny enough, a guy who got to the final table with only 4000 in chips lasted til 6th when 4 people busted out before him...very smart...probably made him at least $200 more).

finally gets down to 3 and im 2nd in chips. short stack of course goes all in and the big stack (in SB) goes all in. i was like "why?! if you call, i could have called!" (play 2 vs 1) so of course now i have to fold. hes like "its ok, i got him"

wrong. he had KJ the other guy (shortstack) had A10. fortunately flop had 10 and J and the Js held up.

at this point we are about DEAD EVEN and decide to chop (we almost did a 3 way chop but couldnt figure out a fair way since 2 of us had way more...so we just played it out then). we each got a little over $1000! i was damn psyched for that. 1st would have paid ~$1400 and 2nd ~$600. but we were so close in chips (within 10000) i think it was smart...didnt want to risk it all on a luck fest. he thought the same way.

its a crazy tourney, one i have complained about in the past but i was dying to play some poker and it was only $35 buy in - eh, what the hell. glad i did...paid off nicely! easily my best finish and best payout ever in a tourney...online or person. wish i could remember more hands in detail but there were so many and im just psyched about the win!
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Old 10-05-06, 06:17 PM   #2
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Great job Atari2600! Where the hell was this tourney, not one of those 'nooners' at the Bike was it?

Congrats again!
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Old 10-05-06, 06:19 PM   #3
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thanks! it was the daily tourney at oceans 11.
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Old 10-05-06, 06:25 PM   #4
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I was going to say, if you start to 'own' these cheap buy in tourney's not only is it a great way to build the 'roll' but it's also a great way to practice for the bigger buy in events (that you'll satellite into of course).
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Old 10-05-06, 06:33 PM   #5
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theres no way to "own" this particular tourney. it seriously becomes an all in fest waaaay too soon.
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Old 10-05-06, 06:59 PM   #6
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Wow. You don't really like the format yet you played in it anyway. You were "Dying to play some poker". Has anyone ever brought up the possibility that you're addicted to poker?
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Old 10-05-06, 07:54 PM   #7
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Great job, but the rapidly increasing blinds would have pissed me off after awhile, because it forces more luck than skill. of course, I'm not a great player head to head (I do fine up until that point), so maybe it'd be better for me.

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Old 10-05-06, 09:33 PM   #8
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congrats on winning the lotto
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Old 10-06-06, 02:21 PM   #9
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Wow. You don't really like the format yet you played in it anyway. You were "Dying to play some poker". Has anyone ever brought up the possibility that you're addicted to poker?


i figure playing a cheap poker tourney once in a while that doesnt interfere with anything else isnt a big deal
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Old 10-06-06, 02:22 PM   #10
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Great job, but the rapidly increasing blinds would have pissed me off after awhile, because it forces more luck than skill. of course, I'm not a great player head to head (I do fine up until that point), so maybe it'd be better for me.

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yep - i totally agree. you could see the looks on peoples faces when the blinds went to 20000/40000 or even 40000/80000. people realize that most cannot even afford one small blind! i can sort of understand increasing the blinds every 10 minutes but they shouldnt DOUBLE them.
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Old 10-06-06, 10:37 PM   #11
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congrats on winning the lotto
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Old 10-06-06, 11:05 PM   #12
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I said congrats!

But hey, with a tournament structure like that you might as well play the lotto.
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Old 10-06-06, 11:44 PM   #13
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true. but this is more fun. cant go "all in" with a lotto ticket.
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Old 10-07-06, 02:13 PM   #14
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forgot to mention they gave me (and entire final table) a free entry to a future tourney but its on a day/time that i have no chance of going. that sucks.
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Old 10-07-06, 03:50 PM   #15
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Hey Atari2600, I know I had dissed those 'Nooner' tourney's in a prior post a few weeks back, but when I was at the Bike last week I noticed that they changed the format. The 'Nooner's' used to be a re-buy tourney, well they aren't anymore! The re-buy version made it more of an all-in fest in the early rounds. The 800 in starting chips and 20 minute levels aren't the greatest but they sure beat the 10 minutes levels that they give you at Oceans 11. But the fact that they start the levels at 5-10 makes it very playable. Plus it's a much closer drive and only $5 more to play. They had around 120 players with 1st place taking about $1400 and I think they paid 20 or 30 spots. These tourney's run Monday-Friday at 12:15 PM. I saw about 10 players show up well into the second level and they still let them buy in, this is typical of a lot of tourneys. I think the cut off time for buying in late is the third level. So you don't have to kill yourself getting there on time.

Here's a pic of the blind level breakdown, see you there!
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Old 10-07-06, 10:53 PM   #16
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$30 with a $10 tourney fee

A place I play in Yakima got rid of their tourney fee altogether. They must figure they make it up on drinks, food, and table games. The Indian casino I play at is $30 with $4 fee.
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Old 10-08-06, 02:23 PM   #17
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$30 with a $10 tourney fee
Believe me I don't like the steep fee either. That old realtor adage "location, location, location," loosely translated means: pay more, pay more, pay more... for everything! If they can charge high fees/rakes they will, it's L.A. after all, people burn money as a hobby here.

The option to drive anywhere from an hour to an hour and a half out of my way to the nearest indian casino to save five bucks on a tourney entry fee is an option, but I'd rather drive 20 minutes to the Bike or Commerce. It boils down to a matter of convenience.

Kind of related (to the rake/fees) it's pretty well known that the six owners of the Commerce casino clear $1 million each per month! So after everything is said and done, overhead, salaries, etc, these guys make a hell of a lot of money off of us!
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Old 10-08-06, 03:38 PM   #18
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OP, the thread title is wrong. You didn't win the live tourney; you cut a deal with 2 people left. (Unless my reading comprehension has seriously deteriorated.) Winnning would have netted you $1400.

I wouldn't play in a tourney with such an accelerated blind increase, personally. It is more of a lotto than a match of skill, once you survive the early rounds. (Your details in fact confirm this.)
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Hey Atari2600, I know I had dissed those 'Nooner' tourney's in a prior post a few weeks back, but when I was at the Bike last week I noticed that they changed the format. The 'Nooner's' used to be a re-buy tourney, well they aren't anymore! The re-buy version made it more of an all-in fest in the early rounds. The 800 in starting chips and 20 minute levels aren't the greatest but they sure beat the 10 minutes levels that they give you at Oceans 11. But the fact that they start the levels at 5-10 makes it very playable. Plus it's a much closer drive and only $5 more to play. They had around 120 players with 1st place taking about $1400 and I think they paid 20 or 30 spots. These tourney's run Monday-Friday at 12:15 PM. I saw about 10 players show up well into the second level and they still let them buy in, this is typical of a lot of tourneys. I think the cut off time for buying in late is the third level. So you don't have to kill yourself getting there on time.

Here's a pic of the blind level breakdown, see you there!
thanks man! awesome info.
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Old 10-09-06, 02:06 PM   #20
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OP, the thread title is wrong. You didn't win the live tourney; you cut a deal with 2 people left. (Unless my reading comprehension has seriously deteriorated.) Winnning would have netted you $1400.
no, you read correctly but to me i still "won".

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I wouldn't play in a tourney with such an accelerated blind increase, personally. It is more of a lotto than a match of skill, once you survive the early rounds. (Your details in fact confirm this.)
that is true unfortunately. very few decisions to be made but to my defense, i did make some good calls and correct laydowns in the later stages. it wasnt ALL luck.
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Old 10-09-06, 02:09 PM   #21
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a quick look at the bike tourney and that looks way better than the oceans 11 one - even if its only 800 chips vs 2200 the blinds start much slower and rise slower too. an hour into that one and (if you didnt play) youd still have 40 BB whereas at oceans 11, an hour into it (6 levels) youd have about 5 BB i think (trying to remember exactly how the blinds rise).

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quick question: when you get close to the end of levels where they will "color up" the chips, is there any strategy at that point? like if you wanted to bet $25, would you bet 5 $5 chips instead? is there any reason to do that? does it ever make a difference?
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Old 10-09-06, 04:33 PM   #22
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a quick look at the bike tourney and that looks way better than the oceans 11 one - even if its only 800 chips vs 2200 the blinds start much slower and rise slower too. an hour into that one and (if you didnt play) youd still have 40 BB whereas at oceans 11, an hour into it (6 levels) youd have about 5 BB i think (trying to remember exactly how the blinds rise).

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quick question: when you get close to the end of levels where they will "color up" the chips, is there any strategy at that point? like if you wanted to bet $25, would you bet 5 $5 chips instead? is there any reason to do that? does it ever make a difference?
Perception can make a difference. What do you think is more opposing, a stack of 20 $5 chips, or a black $100 chip?
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