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Old 06-29-06, 06:10 PM   #1
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Is Navigation Worth It?

I'm looking into purchasing a new car, and I'm wondering if the car has this as an option is it really worth it? Let's take for example the Acura TSX. The navigation model is usually 2,000 dollars more than its counterpart without navigation. As much as I like the idea, I'm just not sure if I will get as much use out of it as I imagine. However is it something like Tivo where before I got it I didn't think about it, but now I couldn't live without it?

Oftentimes while driving I will say to myself "wish I had navigation right now." Also with my job in the fall I will be auditing which requires visiting different clients, and that may help there, but I use mapquest now for this purpose, and it works decently enough. However it is annoying always having to print out the directions and try to read while driving. I don't know if it's 2,000 dollars annoying. So for those of you with this in the car, how often do you use it, and if you could go back, would you not have taken the option on your car?
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Old 06-29-06, 06:13 PM   #2
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Buy a seperate unit for way sub $1000. That's worth it.
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Old 06-29-06, 06:15 PM   #3
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What are the benefits to having it built in as opposed to a separate unit? Does it just look nicer? Is that what you're paying for?
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Old 06-29-06, 06:15 PM   #4
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Such as

http://www.outpost.com/product/4894040

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4579507

http://buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=GRSPC320
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Old 06-29-06, 06:17 PM   #5
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What are the benefits to having it built in as opposed to a separate unit? Does it just look nicer? Is that what you're paying for?
Yes, and you're paying for them to do it for you.

Seriously, I can't justify the price for something that works exactly the same but which also has more limitations. The portable units can be programmed using a PC, and they're easy to upgrade in 2-3 years for the newer one with new features without a new car, if that kind of thing floats your boat.
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Old 06-29-06, 06:18 PM   #6
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And if you have a partner/wife/whatever portables jump between cars. If you travel for business you can take a portable unit with you.
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Old 06-29-06, 06:19 PM   #7
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For example, going to crutchfield, you can buy this pioneer navagation unit, with 7" screen and dvd player for $799. Add satelllite radio for another $100.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-XneKiou...20VRX755&wm=cl
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Old 06-29-06, 06:24 PM   #8
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Well, I really can't justify the increase then. Any other car options I should avoid that are significantly cheaper aftermarket, and just as effective?
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Old 06-29-06, 06:28 PM   #9
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Well, if you're looking Acura, isn't their business model that most is built into the cost (nav aside?)
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Old 06-29-06, 06:30 PM   #10
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Floor mats..

Wheel upgrades can usually be found cheaper as well, but typicall for another style and not manufacturer specific.

You can usually find almost any option online for less, lots of times from dealerships in some other location. I boutgh the mats for my car for $20 less than my local dealership where I bought the car.
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Old 06-29-06, 06:42 PM   #11
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I was also looking at a Civic if I ended up not wanting to part with almost 30,000 for the TSX, but yes they don't seem to have a lot of options left when I was building it that I actually wanted to add. It was all the floor mats, cargo nets, trunk trays, and other stuff that I didn't bother checking off. I mostly just want the comfort inside, and a nice drive, so I didn't really consider spoilers or trims that simply add style rather than functionality. I figure that would really keep the price low as well.
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Old 06-29-06, 06:44 PM   #12
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This will be the first new car I own, so I didn't want to get crazy, but since I will probably be driving it for the next 10 years, I don't want to get something I won't be happy with either.
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Old 06-29-06, 07:36 PM   #13
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Once you use a navigation unit, you can't go back. I bought my Garmin StreetPilot III back in 2000. Best gadget investment ever. It's worth every penny. I no longer have to read BS print out direction or rely on a passenger to read the direction. Last year, I bought my Accord with the builtin navigation unit. Yes, it's about $2000 more but I like the integration with my car. I can control the radio, CD, climate control, and GPS unit from it. The voice recognition feature is awesome when it works.

The cons vs the standalone unit is that the software update is cheaper, portable, more feature rich, and often cheaper.

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Old 06-29-06, 08:15 PM   #14
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Wow, 2 grand for the nav? I agree, though, once you have a GPS you can't go back.

I love my standalone, but there are a few other cons. One, they're easier to steal, and stick out like a sore thumb on most dashboards. Another thing is that most inbuilt nav systems are integrated with the car, so that if you lose satellite signal, it'll still be able to track approximately where you are in the interim by using your odometer, etc. There are standalones that do that as well, but all require professional installation anyway.
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Old 06-29-06, 08:20 PM   #15
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That's why I pull my portable down and put it in the little storage area (whatever the fuck that's called) between both front seats. No one sees it, thus less risk of theft.
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Old 06-29-06, 08:21 PM   #16
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Go on ebay and buy an external antenna for 10-70 bucks and your need for dead reckoning lessens considerably.
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Old 06-29-06, 09:06 PM   #17
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That's why I pull my portable down and put it in the little storage area (whatever the fuck that's called) between both front seats. No one sees it, thus less risk of theft.
It's called the console.
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Old 06-29-06, 09:07 PM   #18
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I was just schooled on English by Zuffy.

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Old 06-29-06, 09:08 PM   #19
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Old 06-29-06, 09:34 PM   #20
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I really think it's worth the extra for the built in. You'll get a bigger screen, and it won't look like a cheap add-on. Personally I can't stand any add ons, and having my sirius not intergrated (car only has xm. I hear there is a converter I will likely get) kills me. Plus with my pilot I can just speak and use it, although at times that's tricky. It is a nice feature.

I think nav in general is easily worth it, if you travel lots of times to new places, or live in a fairly tricky area.

The thing paid for itself, over the last 5 months when we've been looking at houses. Plug in the address and you're off. before it was a pain mapquesting in advance etc.

I say go for it, I wish I had it on both cars.
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I respectfully and stridently disagree. If you had a portable unit, it won't look like an add-on because it only shows itself when you use it. It will cost 1000-2000 less, and you could use it in 2 cars at once if you wanted. Well not at once, but you can flip between both based on need.

Also, for someone who wants to keep a car for a long time, it is nice if they're not tied to what will become old technology for very long. By 2008-09 I'm guessing most of the GPS units will come with predictive routing which reroutes you based on road conditions, weather, accidents, etc... Not to mention that the algorithms used to route and the features in the devices take huge leaps forward every few years already.

In car units are better integrated, but I like less things built into my car to go wrong, not more.
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Old 06-29-06, 09:53 PM   #22
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Old 06-29-06, 09:58 PM   #23
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I respectfully and stridently disagree. If you had a portable unit, it won't look like an add-on because it only shows itself when you use it. It will cost 1000-2000 less, and you could use it in 2 cars at once if you wanted. Well not at once, but you can flip between both based on need.

Also, for someone who wants to keep a car for a long time, it is nice if they're not tied to what will become old technology for very long. By 2008-09 I'm guessing most of the GPS units will come with predictive routing which reroutes you based on road conditions, weather, accidents, etc... Not to mention that the algorithms used to route and the features in the devices take huge leaps forward every few years already.

In car units are better integrated, but I like less things built into my car to go wrong, not more.
If I wasn't sold before that definitely does it. I definitely plan on keeping this a while so I don't want to be tied down with old stuff like that.
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Old 06-29-06, 10:12 PM   #24
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I respectfully and stridently disagree. If you had a portable unit, it won't look like an add-on because it only shows itself when you use it.
I disagree to this.

How can it not look like a cheap add-on, when you see it when you use it. Won't it look like a cheap add-on then? To me it's an eye sore. I prefer a bigger screen and something that looks like part of the car.


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It will cost 1000-2000 less, and you could use it in 2 cars at once if you wanted. Well not at once, but you can flip between both based on need.
Well my nav option was 1500 I am fairly certain, so I don't see how you could get one that much cheaper. The only good add-on imho is the one I believe Cobra makes but that is around 600+ the last time I saw read about I thought.

The 2 car thing really is a non-issue to me. Don't you typically drive 1 car on trips etc. That is the way most do I would imagine. If that is the case, get the nav in the one you use as the primary.

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Not to mention that the algorithms used to route and the features in the devices take huge leaps forward every few years already.
I would think the nav upgrades you can get annually would include some of this logic, if it's just alogorithms. I sure wouldn't be one to know though.

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In car units are better integrated, but I like less things built into my car to go wrong, not more..
I can agree to this

I think either way you can't go wrong. It's just whatever fits your bill, and it sounds like the portable will be great for you.

I just can't see how people can live without one or another, unless of course they don't have a car.
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Old 06-29-06, 10:43 PM   #25
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The Acura navigation kicks ass.

If it is anything like my TLs navigation, get it.

All the voice commands (292?) and the big screen. I think the Acuras have the largest screen on the market, or at least the TL did in 05.

The great thing about the built in is that its there when you need it, and doesnt become an eye sore when you dont.

The navigation is built in so its connected to your audio system. The radio moves to the back speakers only when that bitch is barking directions at you.

Built ins are easier to use on the fly. Its at (short) arms length.

You can press a button on your steering wheel and say "find gas station", "find restaurant", etc.

The Acura nav also has bluetooth connectivity. Basically, if you are driving, you press a button, have the navigation locate something for you, then say "call" and it uses the number in the nav and your bluetooth phone to make the call. Fully integrated.

Want a pizza?
"find Italian Restaurant"
nav - "now finding Italian Restaurant"
sorts by distance to travel.
"down" until you locate which one
say "call" to call and order



The Nav screen on the Acura shows navigation as well as touch screen radio and all your radio displays.

While the features may not be upgradeable (though I am not sure they arent) the navigation software is. For $150 Acura sends you the updated disks.

If you get the Acura, get the nav. It is by far one of the few built in units that are worth every penny.
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