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Old 05-01-06, 08:09 PM   #1
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In 1910, did "Miss" mean young and unmarried?

Not sure if times have changed in this regard, but if a female was called "Miss Smith" in 1910, what would you know about her? I'm assuming that meant unmarried, but did the "Miss" make any reference to the girl's age?
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Old 05-01-06, 08:10 PM   #2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss
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Old 05-02-06, 05:51 AM   #3
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Old 05-02-06, 06:42 AM   #4
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I think that wiki article confused me even further...
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Old 05-02-06, 08:14 AM   #5
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I can't get the wikipedia article to download.

I believe that, traditionally, "Miss" is used to denote an unmarried woman who is still using her maiden name.

"Mrs." is used to refer to a woman who is married, and therefore using her husband's name.

So when Miss Sarah Jones marries Bob Smith, she becomes Mrs. Sarah Smith.

"Ms." was recently created by a bunch of hairy-legged feminists because they thought including the marriage status of a woman in her name's title was sexist because no such distinction was made for men.
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Old 05-02-06, 08:32 AM   #6
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Old 05-02-06, 08:32 AM   #7
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"Miss" implies youth, but does not specify. It simply means, "never married".

Mrs. could be married or widowed.

In 1910, divorced women weren't spoken of, so there was no specific term. Now, they can be either Miss or Mrs.

What I always thought was creepy was how some women would give up their whole name when they married, becoming "Mrs. John Smith" for example.
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Old 05-02-06, 08:36 AM   #8
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Not sure if times have changed in this regard, but if a female was called "Miss Smith" in 1910, what would you know about her?
Beauty pageants used to be determined by the father's occupation. Her dad was a blacksmith. Not a bad dowry. I'd wait for the evening gown and interview sections before deciding.
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Old 05-02-06, 09:53 AM   #9
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"Miss" means unmarried. The fact that it also tends to connote youth is the result of assumption that young ladies are unmarried and old ones are married (or widowed).

I use the term "Miss" to describe myself. "Ms." sounds unpleasant and I have no problem at all with being seen as never-married.
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Old 05-02-06, 09:55 AM   #10
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What I always thought was creepy was how some women would give up their whole name when they married, becoming "Mrs. John Smith" for example.
I don't know if they still do it, but not that long ago the Wimbledon tennis tournament did the same thing with the names of women players. It was weird seeing 'Chris Evert' being referred to as 'Mrs John Lloyd'. I suppose some traditions are quaint, but some are just backward and sexist.
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Old 05-02-06, 10:12 AM   #11
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What I always thought was creepy was how some women would give up their whole name when they married, becoming "Mrs. John Smith" for example.
"Mrs." is only properly used with a husband's name. For example, "Mrs. Karen Smith" is incorrect (although it is widely used).

My mother was Mrs. Robert William Snoogledorfer (and no, that's not my dad's real name) from the day she married until the day she died 58 years later. In fact, she used to call herself that when she was making a pissed-off call to a store or the electric company: "THIS is Mrs. Robert William Snoogledorfer and I am OUTRAGED, blah blah blah ..." It got better results than "This is Janice Snoogledorfer and I am OUTRAGED blah blah blah ..."



I don't have a problem with marrying and being Mrs. Male Name, although I never wanted to marry. It's really just a convenience anyway, so people know who you're married to. There's plenty of opportunity to call yourself plain Karen Smith, or whatever.
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Old 05-02-06, 10:15 AM   #12
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I think all those terms in 1910 were just a polite way of saying "whore."
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Old 05-02-06, 10:16 AM   #13
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I think all those terms in 1910 were just a polite way of saying "whore."
STOP THAT! I spit my tea all over myself.
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Old 05-02-06, 10:22 AM   #14
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In 1910 terms:

"Miss Smith" = Unmarried female under the age of 20.
"Spinster Smith" = Unmarried female over the age of 20.

For the one second that an unmarried female was exactly 20, she would be known as "Ms. Smith".
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Old 05-02-06, 10:23 AM   #15
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STOP THAT! I spit my tea all over myself.
Sorry, Miss.


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Old 05-02-06, 11:27 AM   #16
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Miss Vibiana Snoogledorfer???


I'm sorry...








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Old 05-02-06, 12:53 PM   #17
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Miss Vibiana Snoogledorfer???


I'm sorry...

Let's carry the hypothetical example to its bizarrest of conclusions:

Miss Vibiana Justine Hedwig (confirmation name) Snoogledorfer, pleased to meet you.

*curtsy*
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