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Old 09-28-05, 11:10 AM   #1
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What are these "boroughs" and "parishes"? What are they called in your area? (Etc)

Up here in the northwest, all we have (that I know of) are counties. Is that essentially the same thing? I guess we have "districts" and maybe that's closer.

I've heard of boroughs in New York, and the hurricanes are revealing the concept of a "parish" to me. I'm still not entirely sure what they are, other than some kind of region.

Does someone oversee a borough or district (some sort of legal distinction) or are they merely social references to indicate an area? How do they function differently than a city or county? How are they defined... based on some sort of geographical distinction, or just zoned like a county line?

My guess is that the boroughs of New York are smaller than the parishes in the south, which may or may not cross city lines. But I'm new to this. Help me out.

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Old 09-28-05, 11:11 AM   #2
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Counties in Louisiana are just called Parishes. Probably has something to do with the French heritage, I guess.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:19 AM   #3
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Yes - I was born in Caddo Parish in Lousiana. A throwback to the days of French rule, I presume.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:24 AM   #4
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County and City are the words used around here.

I always thought "Township" was pretty hokey (in addition to Parish).
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Old 09-28-05, 11:26 AM   #5
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I live in a City within a County. We are an independent district of the County.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:26 AM   #6
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NYC boroughs are officially counties.

Manhattan- New York county
Queens- Queens county
The Bronx- Bronx county
Brooklyn- Kings county
Staten Island- Richmond county

There isn't really any difference between the two, except that borough is more commonly used. For example, each one has a borough president.

I don't know for sure, but my feeling is that county is an allowance made for the state government.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:27 AM   #7
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A township is area based, 36 square miles. I believe this is how land was divided early on, and counties came about as more of a political/population division.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:27 AM   #8
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Boroughs are basically counties. They are the same size as many counties. Manhattan is a little smaller though. A borough president is like a county commissioner.
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Old 09-28-05, 11:36 AM   #9
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Old 09-28-05, 11:36 AM   #10
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Okay, so they're all essentially the same thing. So why do New Yorkers like to call them boroughs? Is it because of the rats?
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Old 09-28-05, 11:51 AM   #11
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Don't know about townships, but around here, Towns are smaller cities that think they are too good to be called a "city"
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Old 09-28-05, 11:51 AM   #12
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A borough is a political subdivision of New York City only and not New York State or of any other city in the state. Each of the five boroughs of New York City is coextensive with one of its five counties.

The Bronx (Bronx County)
Brooklyn (Kings County)
Manhattan (New York County)
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Staten Island (Richmond County)
The boroughs were originally intended to retain some local governance in the consolidated city that was formed in 1898. Each borough individually elects a borough president. The borough presidents once wielded considerable power as members of the City's Board of Estimate, but their positions now are largely ceremonial and advisory. Likewise, the boroughs and their residents have little distinct power within the city. According to the State of New York Local Government Handbook, "The five boroughs of the City of New York function as counties for certain purposes, although they are not organized as such nor do they operate as county governments."
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Map of the counties of New York State (click for larger version)The county is the primary political subdivision of New York State. There are sixty-two counties in the state. Five of the counties are boroughs of New York City and do not have functioning county governments. Counties contain a number of towns and may also contain cities. Towns may contain villages and hamlets. Every county has a county seat, often a populous or centrally located city or village, where the county government is located. In some counties, a hamlet is the county seat.
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Unlike the rest of New York State, New York City does not have typical county courts. Instead, there is a single Civil Court, with a presence in each borough and city-wide jurisdiction, and a Criminal Court for each New York City county which handles lesser criminal offenses and domestic violence cases, a responsibility shared with the Family Court. Unlike other counties in New York, judges for Family Courts in New York City are appointed for ten year terms by the mayor, instead of being elected.
So basically, there considered counties, but are officially called boroughs because they function NOTHING like NYS counties
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Old 09-28-05, 11:51 AM   #13
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Okay, so they're all essentially the same thing. So why do New Yorkers like to call them boroughs? Is it because of the rats?
it sounds cooler in movies
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Old 09-28-05, 12:03 PM   #14
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it's crazy. in virginia, cities and counties are mutually exclusive.

other states, cities make up counties, but in new york, counties make up one city.

then, there's norfolk county, ma - it has two towns/cities (brookline & cohasset) that are not contiguous with the rest of the county:
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Old 09-28-05, 01:19 PM   #16
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Here's a question: Two U.S. states do not have counties. Louisiana is one; what's the other?
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Old 09-28-05, 01:21 PM   #17
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I didn't know if they were counties or townships.
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Old 09-28-05, 01:23 PM   #18
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Here's a question: Two U.S. states do not have counties. Louisiana is one; what's the other?
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Old 09-28-05, 01:43 PM   #19
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Here's a question: Two U.S. states do not have counties. Louisiana is one; what's the other?
Rhode Island, I think.
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Old 09-28-05, 01:45 PM   #20
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Rhode Island, I think.
Nope.
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Old 09-28-05, 01:46 PM   #21
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Rhode Island, I think.
He asked which states don't have counties... Not which state is a county.
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Old 09-28-05, 01:54 PM   #22
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Here's a question: Two U.S. states do not have counties. Louisiana is one; what's the other?
North Dakota. Nobody even lives there so surely they don't have counties or government for that matter.
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North Dakota. Nobody even lives there so surely they don't have counties or government for that matter.
Also nope.
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Old 09-28-05, 02:11 PM   #24
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The site I found, says it is Rhode Island. And Connecticut, not Lousisiana at all.
http://www.naco.org/Template.cfm?Section=About_Counties

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Forty-eight of the 50 states have operational county governments. Connecticut and Rhode Island are divided into geographic regions called counties, but they do not have functioning governments. Alaska calls its counties boroughs and Louisiana calls them parishes.
So maybe you were thinking of Alaska. I guess that'd make sense in the way you posed it.


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States having no counties with 1 percent Norwegian Ancestry
There are no counties in these 14 states that reach the 1 percent mark of Norwegian ancestry.
Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Mississippi
North Carolina
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
West Virginia
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Old 09-28-05, 02:17 PM   #25
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You got it, Thor. I was looking for Alaska. Although, RI and CT having counties, but no county governments is interesting.
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