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Old 04-14-05, 09:57 AM   #1
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Car people: Rebuilt engines...Good or bad?

I think I have found a nice eclipse that had over 133,XXX miles but it has a rebuilt engine at $5000, now I'm having a disagreement, my dad is telling me that a rebuilt engine is bad, blah blah blah. So I'm here to ask you car smart people, are rebuilt engines a bad sign?

Please put any info you think is neccessary for me to know. I need answers ASAP!
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Old 04-14-05, 10:11 AM   #2
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It can be a bad sign, usually means the car was abused and/or wasn't maintained. This is most likely what your dad is concerned with. The rest of the car having problems due to the same abuse or neglect that took out the engine

Now strictly speaking on the engine rebuild itself. As if you somehow knew the rest of the car was fine (ie transmission especially)

If the engine was rebuilt 'the right way, by a good shop' it will be fine. Did the seller have receipts for the work? Can you check the shop out? any warranty?
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Old 04-14-05, 10:29 AM   #3
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You can expect to replace or rebuild the transmission soon after installation of a new or rebuilt engine as well.....
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Old 04-14-05, 10:42 AM   #4
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Well he had the engine rebuilt at 133,XXX , then he drove about 50,000 on the new engine. Right now its at 52,XXX. So I guess it worked decent. He says he has all paper work for labor done on the car, so I guess that is a new thing. Transmission is manual.

Its a 95 eclipse, 50k(rebuilt), manual 5 spd, turbocharged.

Any more advice guys?

BTW how much would it cost to say replace or repair transmission incase it ever broke down?
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Old 04-14-05, 11:01 AM   #5
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Welcome to the wonderful world of DSMs. The best advice that I could give you is to find a good DSM forum and ask around there.

The 4g63t is a good, solid motor that should be capable of constant 15 psi boost, my bet is that the original owner got boost greedy and tore it up a little, but probably didn't do any head damage. Any good machine shop can hone the cylinders and possibly overbore and sleeve it if any damage occurred there.

-- Did the other owner replace the bottom end with forged rods and pistons or did he go back to stock?

-- is the car AWD?

-- Chances are that your transmission is about toast too, that's a known weak point of the DSMs, even second gen like you have.

The good thing is that these things are really sorted out, problemwise, and solutions are out there. But they can be moneypits.

1995s are the first year or so with non-popup headlights, right?
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Old 04-14-05, 11:46 AM   #6
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yea its the first year without non pop up headlights. Also its 2 wheel drive.

Maybe you guys can tell me more if I just post the link.

http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ca...sp=y&cardist=5

If it somehow does not work, go to autotrader, area code 07828 , its the eclipse with 50k for $5000.

Please help me ASAP
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Old 04-14-05, 12:08 PM   #7
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You could do what many people buying used cars do, and that is take it to a trusted/quality mechanic and pay them $50-$75 for a full diagnostic on the car.

I wouldn't consider buying a used car unless I had done the above and/or the car was still under warranty.
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Old 04-14-05, 12:19 PM   #8
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Yea I'm having a mechanic with me, he will check it out for free, since he is a good friend of mine.
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Old 04-14-05, 12:42 PM   #9
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No, it's one wheel drive. I don't believe that they came with limited slips. He wants too much money. No fucking way would I pay 5K for a non-AWD second gen DSM.
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Old 04-14-05, 12:56 PM   #10
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I wouldn't consider buying a used car unless I had done the above and/or the car was still under warranty.
Had to have my used SUV's engine replaced a few weeks ago, luckily under warranty. 4,000 short of warranty expiration. Bill would have been nearly $8,000 (lexus rx300)
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Old 04-14-05, 01:03 PM   #11
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weargle what price should i set him?
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Old 04-14-05, 01:12 PM   #12
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By the way, is 80,000 miles bad on a 1990 Nissan 300zx? That is my second choice. 2 wheel drive rear, 6 cylinder, automatic, on 80k on a 90' 300zx?

Help me people. Much <3
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Old 04-14-05, 01:52 PM   #13
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Kelly Blue Book is $3300 for that zip code. He's doing a huge mistake of expecting his mods to improve the value of the car. It ain't like the rebuild is 10K old.

It's a ten year old car that has already busted one engine, and the transmission wasn't replaced? (I truly cannot emphasize enough how shitty these transmissions are) How about the clutch? If he didn't do a clutch job (ACT et al) when he replaced the motor, walk away. If he wants >$3500 - 4000 and won't budge, walk away.

Never ever ever ever ever ever fall in love with a car, especially when overpriced like that.

The Nissan will give fewer headaches; is it a 2+2? T-top? Sunroof?
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Old 04-14-05, 04:24 PM   #14
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its a t-top weargle. I'll give you a link. http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ca...p=y&cardist=45

Is this a good buy? Perhaps I should tell him to lower price or at least ask?
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Old 04-14-05, 04:27 PM   #15
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With both of those cars if anything goes wrong you will be paying nearly what you paid for the car in the first place. Another thing about an eclipse and a 300ZX is that they probably have had the shit ran out of them.
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Old 04-14-05, 04:58 PM   #16
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hmmm. Buying cars sucks.
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Old 04-14-05, 05:14 PM   #17
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hmmm. Buying cars sucks.

Especially when you are looking at 10-15 year old sports cars.
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Old 04-14-05, 05:55 PM   #18
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300zx man. Beautiful car man. It might be 15 years old, but its so nice

Plus I'm not rich, so recent sports cars are out of question.
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Old 04-14-05, 06:36 PM   #19
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Look for a 4th generation Honda Prelude (1992-1996). I have a 5th gen '01 and love it.

Forget about the 300zx. They're very nice cars but that one's an auto! No point in getting a sports car if it's an auto!
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Old 04-14-05, 09:07 PM   #20
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I think I'll just go with a Galant ES v6. If I cant find v6, I'll go with v4
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Old 04-14-05, 09:09 PM   #21
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I think I'll just go with a Galant ES v6. If I cant find v6, I'll go with v4
Another Mitsu huh? Hope you know a good mechanic.
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Old 04-14-05, 09:13 PM   #22
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Heh. Why all the hate on the mitsubishis?
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Old 04-14-05, 09:31 PM   #23
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Heh. Why all the hate on the mitsubishis?
Because as a base company they are simply dishonest. I guess you don't remember what happened with them??

Here was the first article I found in 10 seconds of searching, look for more and you will find more

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Five years ago, Mitsubishi Motors Corp. shocked Japan by acknowledging it had been hiding auto defects for decades to avoid recalls.
http://news.lp.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/0...3cc84a4d4.html



and I have never been impressed with the lower end of anything that DaimlerChrysler owns.
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Old 04-14-05, 09:37 PM   #24
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I had a 95 Chrysler Cirrus with a Mitsu V6. Blown headgasket after 70,000 miles. Out of the blue. Cost me $1400 to get it fixed. And yes I had an honest mechanic. Plus it got awful gas mileage and was slow as heck for a V6. The tranny was a POS too but that's Chrysler's fault. I'm sure the Galant you are looking at has the same V6.
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Old 04-14-05, 09:49 PM   #25
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ok, the ad is misleading. under mileage, he needs to write 133k. and a rebuilt engine isn't a new one either. what if i got a car with 300k on it, drop in a rebuilt, drove it for 5k, and claimed the car has 5k miles?
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