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Old 02-21-05, 07:59 PM   #126
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Old 02-21-05, 08:15 PM   #127
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The big black dude doesn't cross the counter either. He has respect and knows he shouldn't cross the counter and beat the guy up.
Excuse me...but WHAT?!

He has absolutely NO RESPECT. He just went for the first thing that caught his attention. This isn't a racial thing, this isn't a socio-economic issue, this is about one guy who acted in a barbaric way FOR NO REASON. It really bothers me that people are trying to rationalize his actions. I DON"T CARE if he lived in a bad area of town, I don't care about his education level....he should know better than to brutally attack someone. If he doesn't, then that is not the fault of the white guy he pummelled.

As for the CCW comment on page one. unforunately in this case it wouldn't have made a difference, but I support a person's right to carry.

I would get a lawyer and go after this guy for everything he has. I don't care if he doesn't have anything...I'll take what he does. In his world might equals right, and 'status' is king. If you take everything he has...he MIGHT get a clue.

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Old 02-21-05, 08:22 PM   #128
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the ennui of the crowd just watching like it was nothing is really quite disturbing. They barely flinch. At the very least I would have been trying to get the fuck out of there....or hitting the fucker with a chair. one or the other. But just stand there? No way...(and yes, i've seen similar things before and helped to break them up, albeit not alone, and not when the agressor was a 350 pound monster).
This is one of those situations where if just one of the people had had the balls to do something, the rest probably would have jumped in to help.

The initial attack did happen fairly suddenly, but by the time the guy got to the third punch someone should have driven his ass through the door frame. I know I would have. The victim was totally helpless after the first punch and every punch and kick the attacker threw after that was pure brutality and nothing more.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:27 PM   #129
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From that last video the woman was definitely harasing cell phone guy. When he had enough, she released her bulldog on him while everybody else just watched.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:33 PM   #130
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It absolutely matters. There is no justification for what happened. For a guy to say that someone cut in line to his wife or to say directly to her "excuse me, but we are all in line" is no cause for what happened. You, and some others here, appear to be defending what those two shitbags did because "the guy on the cellphone shouldn't have said anything". Well I for one would have said something, and I would hope many others would have done the same. If you want to cower away and let bottom feeders walk all over you that is your business, but I would rather have the shit kicked out of me and at least respect myself than hide from the people that should be put to sleep.

Personally I'm sick of garbage like these people. We shouldn't have to feel that we should walk on egg shells everywhere we go for fear of attack from assholes that don't deserve to breath our air. I doubt that this is the only incident involving these highly unstable individuals. It maybe the first time he was caught since he got out of jail, but people who act in this manner generally can't control themselves. Maybe if cops spent less resources trying to bust speeders on the highway and more time trying to bust criminals we wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Look, I don't think anyone's defending the actions of the two fucktards.

I can certainly understand what you're saying. But your standing up to the wrong person will get you beat down just like cellphone boy. You MUST pick you battles. Getting in the face of some crazy bitch and her ex-con bf isn't a smart battle. Unless you have back up which this guy CLEARLY did not. One would think that a room full of grown men would've done something other than keepig their places in line. This was stupid on his part. Some women have that natural abilty to get men into fights and other trouble and this women does look like she has that gene.

Walking away from volatile situations takes STRENGTH and COURAGE. But if the Male ego wants to chance a ass kicking then go ahead...stay. What's the old ghetto saying? "Stand up get beat down" or something like that?Cellphone boy shoulda just left when she got all Ghetto on him, BEFORE SHE PUSHED HIM IN THE FACE THUS SPINNING THE WHOLE THING OUT OF CONTROL AND BEFORE THE THUG BF SHOWED UP.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:34 PM   #131
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This is one of those situations where if just one of the people had had the balls to do something, the rest probably would have jumped in to help.

The initial attack did happen fairly suddenly, but by the time the guy got to the third punch someone should have driven his ass through the door frame. I know I would have. The victim was totally helpless after the first punch and every punch and kick the attacker threw after that was pure brutality and nothing more.
Yeah...i'm 6'3" and 275, so I'd like to think I could at least knock the fucker down until others snapped out of their trances and helped. I fight dirty in those situations, so I would have gone for a knee and clubbed him with the closest heavy object. It's just bizarre how they stood there watching...not even a "what should I do" frantic look to others from any of them.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:35 PM   #132
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Look, I don't think anyone's defending the actions of the two fucktards.

I can certainly understand what you're saying. But your standing up to the wrong person will get you beat down just like cellphone boy. You MUST pick you battles. Getting in the face of some crazy bitch and her ex-con bf isn't a smart battle. Unless you have back up which this guy CLEARLY did not. One would think that a room full of grown men would've done something other than keepig their places in line. This was stupid on his part. Some women have that natural abilty to get men into fights and other trouble and this women does look like she has that gene.

Walking away from volatile situations takes STRENGTH and COURAGE. But if the Male ego wants to chance a ass kicking then go ahead...stay. What's the old ghetto saying? "Stand up get beat down" or somethign like that?Cellphone boy shoulda just left when she got all Ghetto on him, BEFORE SHE PUSHED HIM IN THE FACE THUS SPINNING THE WHOLE THING OUT OF CONTROL AND BEFORE THE THUG BF SHOWED UP.
So he lacked courage and strength for telling the bitch to leave him alone after he continually tried to ignore her? I don't think so.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:46 PM   #133
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Yeah...i'm 6'3" and 275, so I'd like to think I could at least knock the fucker down until others snapped out of their trances and helped. I fight dirty in those situations, so I would have gone for a knee and clubbed him with the closest heavy object. It's just bizarre how they stood there watching...not even a "what should I do" frantic look to others from any of them.
Some people just freeze. I know I am the kind of person who has and would jump into this situation, because it was obviously a brutal attack and not to knuckleheads fighting over something stupid.

I'd fight dirty too. In cases like this, there is nothing sacred.

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Old 02-21-05, 08:52 PM   #134
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it is disturbing that no one helped the guy...

and im so glad that f***** is going to jail. he doesnt deserve freedom.
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Old 02-21-05, 08:53 PM   #135
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I can certainly understand what you're saying. But your standing up to the wrong person will get you beat down just like cellphone boy. You MUST pick you battles. Getting in the face of some crazy bitch and her ex-con bf isn't a smart battle. Unless you have back up which this guy CLEARLY did not. One would think that a room full of grown men would've done something other than keepig their places in line. This was stupid on his part. Some women have that natural abilty to get men into fights and other trouble and this women does look like she has that gene.
how was he suppose to know that her bf was that big?
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Old 02-21-05, 08:57 PM   #136
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This is a good piece from the Akron paper...


Violent attack truly senseless

You're waiting for the justification.

You watch this videotape of the guy getting the snot beaten out of him in a pizza shop, and you're looking for some sign that maybe he deserved it, or at least did something -- anything -- that would suggest the beating made sense.

Strangely, you realize, you want there to be a reason the 6-foot-4, 320-pound man walked into the pizza shop at his girlfriend's behest and started wailing on a stranger.

That's a very strange thing, you realize -- to want a reason for this brutal act.

But the alternative is worse -- no reason at all.

And that's what it seems to come down to.

Last week, Mark Jones of Akron was found guilty of felonious assault and sentenced to four years in prison for pounding on Joseph Scarpino.

You know that meaningless cliche about ``senseless violence?'' This one sort of gives it meaning.

Look at the video. Scarpino was standing in line at DaVinci's Pizza in downtown Akron last July 31. It was 2:30 a.m. It was crowded. He was waiting for his order.

A woman, Prestina Sims, entered the shop and walked past the line to the counter.

Everyone understandsthat when there's a line, you take your turn. We don't like when this social contract gets broken.

Scarpino, who was on his cell phone with his fiancee, made some comment about this. Sims didn't like that, and unloaded verbally on Scarpino.

Despite her taunting, Scarpino held his tongue. A manager asked her to leave. She did -- and promptly returned with Jones.

She spit on the manager, then began screaming in Scarpino's face.

Most often in cases like this, there are two versions of the story and the truth lies somewhere in between. Not this time. Security camera footage eliminates that middle ground. It is not pretty.

Jones went straight for the face. His first punch appears to have nearly knocked out Scarpino. For the rest of the beating, Jones delivered half a dozen uppercuts to a doubled-over victim.

He broke Scarpino's nose, gave him a concussion, chipped a tooth and dropped him in a heap, where Jones tossed him around like a rag doll while looking for a dropped cell phone.

Scarpino's no small guy -- 6-foot-2, 220 pounds -- but Jones outweighed him by 100 pounds. Scarpino never got a punch in.

Maybe you'd feel better if there was justification. Sims' lawyer tried to create some. She said Scarpino, who is white, made a racial remark about Sims, who is black. But no witnesses -- and there were several -- confirmed this.

Jones tried, too. He said he believed Scarpino was going to hit the young lady. Yet Scarpino withstood Sims' verbal tirade without doing anything to escalate the confrontation.

Sims, in fact, made the first physical contact, repeatedly flicking Scarpino on the cheek before instructing Jones to ``take care of this white mother (expletive).''

So you're still waiting for the justification.

Because as ugly as all this is, there would be some degree of comfort in being able to say Scarpino deserved this.

But no matter how many times you replay the tape, it's just not there.

You've known the rules since you were old enough to understand. You get in line; you wait your turn. You get on the highway; you follow the rules. You sit in a movie theater; you keep quiet.

That's the social contract. You hardly notice when it's being followed, and you don't like when someone breaks it.

The beating of Joseph Scarpino is disturbing specifically because of the way it taunts that understanding. He got in line that night and followed the rules. Someone else broke them. And he got pummeled for it.

In civilized society, there are rules. One brutal violation proves their importance.
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Old 02-21-05, 09:31 PM   #138
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I watched the last video that was linked here. Did anyone else notice that it looks like the big black brute steals the guy's cell phone after he is done pummeling him?

And it looks like the bitch escalated things by smacking the guy in the face at least three times.

I can't believe 4 years was all he got.
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Old 02-21-05, 10:18 PM   #139
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Crazy. It's a shame he only received 4 years. And I bet she will receive far less.
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Old 02-21-05, 10:35 PM   #140
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Old 02-21-05, 10:52 PM   #141
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the ennui of the crowd just watching like it was nothing is really quite disturbing. They barely flinch. At the very least I would have been trying to get the fuck out of there....or hitting the fucker with a chair. one or the other. But just stand there? No way...(and yes, i've seen similar things before and helped to break them up, albeit not alone, and not when the agressor was a 350 pound monster).


Exactly. To me, the non-reaction of the crowd was much worse. I've seen many people in my life like the guy who threw the punch, but never have I seen a similar stance taken by the bystanders. It isn't about being a hardass, or thinking the guy could have been taken out easily. It's about conforming to some basic laws of society and human decency, and expecting others, sometimes forcefully, to as well. I really have no desire to live in a world that accepts any less. There is no excuse for the actions of anybody in that place, except of course for the victim who did nothing wrong.
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Old 02-21-05, 10:57 PM   #142
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Pharoh,

I was the one who made a mistake in naming the area "lower-class" in the first place and thought it was in Cleveland. I meant no offense by it, only that it wasn't a high-class restaurant where the odds of having a felonious violent encounter, was rather low.


Not only did I take no offense by it, I knew what you meant. Still, my point remains. This was not an area where crime and drugs are rampant, where one must constantly be aware of their surroundings and fellow citizens.
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Not only did I take no offense by it, I knew what you meant. Still, my point remains. This was not an area where crime and drugs are rampant, where one must constantly be aware of their surroundings and fellow citizens.
But shouldn't we, overall, watch what we say in public because we do have crazy people running around, just waiting to kill someone, or at best, beat the living shit out of them? In addition, isn't it very apparent we will get no help whatsoever from nearby people? That's all I'm saying, really. I mean, most times what we say will be responded to in a like manner from civil people.

But sometimes, there will be a response you didn't expect. Add to that, the common behavior of people to not help one another, and you basically have a disaster waiting to happen.

Sure, we can argue we have the right to express ourselves how we want verbally, and blah blah blah, but that doesn't do anything about about some dumbnut who would love nothing better to have the littlest justification to pummel someone's brains.

The change is going to have to happen with us, not the idiot dumbass who is an ex-con and is roaming the streets being pissed off.

Some people think I'm implying for us all to be cowards, and run away. Nope. What I'm saying is pick your environment wisely, in which you decide to engage the public in a manner that you want to. Be sure you will get a proportionate response.

It seems in our society these days, we have much disproportionate responses to almost anything from all groups of people and professions, and this should be a clue to some of you of the situation.

Don't expect a proportional response.

Some are saying, "But, but those black people shouldn't have done what they did! You're defending their actions!"

Wrong. What I'm saying is, you can't help these kinds of people. Period. Only the civilized person can change the outcome of the situation. Sometimes it's better to let some fatass bitch cut in line, and think about something else for a few minutes, rather than worrying about your next breath and whether you'll walk correctly ever again.

It doesn't help that the media puts blame on the black couple, and doesn't interview a sociologist who could point to ways to avoid this entire type of situation. But of course, the media is not a thinking machine, it is a hyped machine, giving the citizens what they want to hear.

From the article:

Maybe you'd feel better if there was justification. Sims' lawyer tried to create some. She said Scarpino, who is white, made a racial remark about Sims, who is black. But no witnesses -- and there were several -- confirmed this.

No witnesses confirmed this because they were probably all doing their own thing, talking to each other, and didn't know anything was happening until the woman spit in the guys face and then started to call the guy out on the phone.

From the video I saw, I think he may have said something offensive--unfortunately the best video I got (the one with audio) does not have the conversation before she starts yelling. Her reaction is interesting though, and she clearly got offended by what the guy said. And this is just from the evidence I've seen so far. The article simply says the witnesses could not confirm the statement the guy was alleged to have made. So, he could have made a rude remark, but the pizza patrons simply didn't overhear it--so they were honest in saying they could not confirm the remark (and I'm giving the witnesses a clean record here on not lying).
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I was just watching 24 on tape. The Fox 8 Cleveland news had a blurb saying new information in the pizza story.

Maybe it's on the website.
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Don't see anything.

This looks to be one of their classic "tease the clip and drag it on until 50 minutes into the news".

http://www.fox8cleveland.com/default2.htm
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Here's wkyc's latest.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=30684


Pizza shop beating victim disturbed that no one helped him

Reported by John Friess
POSTED: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:22:09 PM
UPDATED: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:12:17 PM

AKRON -- He got the beating of his life right in front of a crowd and they did absolutely nothing.

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The pizza-shop beating in Akron was all caught on tape. And in that video, it’s hard to take your eyes off the beating Joe Scarpino is taking from Mark Jones.

But if you take a look at the others standing inside the Akron pizza shop - just watching - not one made a move to break it up.

“The thing that’s most disturbing is these seven guys standing in there that did nothing,” the beating victim said.

Scarpino suffered a broken nose, a chipped tooth and a concussion.


“I would have been more surprised and more pleased if they had stepped in and done something,” said Victim Assistance Director Bob Denton.

But then again - would you? The man convicted in the beating, Mark Jones, stands 6’4”, 300 lbs and Denton says nowadays, most people’s attitude is “none of my business.” And in this case, the witnesses not only didn’t do anything, but Denton noticed they didn’t say anything either.

Nobody knows if that would have been enough to stop the assault, but the witnesses’ decision to stand idly by is what the victim won’t soon forget.

Even though the witnesses didn’t act, Denton says they’ve probably been wrestling with that decision ever since.

He says it’s quite common in the aftermath for people to feel guilt or humiliation for not doing the right thing.

Mark Jones will have four years behind bars to think about what he did wrong.




Here's another local station. Don't remember if their version of the vid was already posted.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4217616/detail.html


and a story saying the victim will sue.


Man To Sue Over Pizza Shop Beating
Joseph Scarpino Attacked While On Cell Phone


UPDATED: 10:19 am EST February 20, 2005

AKRON, Ohio -- An Akron man plans to file a $25,000 civil lawsuit after getting beaten in a pizza shop.

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Man Beats Pizza Parlor Customer





Joseph Scarpino was on his cell phone when a woman cut in line in front of him, NewsChannel5 reported.

He commented about it on the phone and Presina Sims reacted with rage.

Security video shows Sims, infuriated by the comment, begin a long tirade at Scarpino. She swore at him, and even spat at a manager who tried to kick her out.

SLIDESHOW: Pizza Parlor Beating

Sims then called in her friend, Mark Jones, 35, to fight Scarpino.


Jones came in and sucker punched Scarpino several times as other watched. Jones, who is 6 feet 4 inches and weighs 295 pounds, hit Scarpino at least seven times.

Jones was sentenced to four years for felonious assault. Sims goes to trial March 16.

The incident happened at DaVinci's in downtown Akron last July.
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So he lacked courage and strength for telling the bitch to leave him alone after he continually tried to ignore her? I don't think so.

I didn't say that. I'm saying that for him to get in her face didn't help. It was obvious the bitch was looking for trouble.
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She was looking for trouble, that's for sure. I'm 6'2", and about 275, but I'm smart enough to know when to speak up and when not to. I think I'd be damn sure that someone doesn't have a boyfriend who's bigger than me before I start any shit with anyone!

Still....I also agree that 4 years simply isn't enough of a punishment for the guy. The guy was obviously out of it after the first punch, and the follow-up blows could almost have been seen as attempted murder.
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