John Kerry "The New Soldier" available for download

darkflounder · 09-03-04, 04:24 AM

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Since its publication in 1971, John Kerry's book "The New Soldier" has acquired almost legendary status. Rumors abound of political operatives scrambling to locate and suppress stray copies during Kerry's House campaign in 1972. Copies now sell on Ebay for upwards of $750!

http://freekerrybook.com

Link fixed.

wmansir · 09-03-04, 04:45 AM

http://freekerrybook.com/

fixed link.

Trigger · 09-03-04, 05:54 AM

Isn't that stealing? Or no?

nemein · 09-03-04, 06:32 AM

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Isn't that stealing? Or no?

All depends upon who owns the copyright now and whether or not it has passed into the public domain. If it is illegal I'm sure it'll get shut down soon...

BigPete · 09-03-04, 07:11 AM

saved for posterity

Brain Stew · 09-03-04, 08:33 AM

In the interest of equal time, I will present information on what President Bush was doing during the Vietnam war.

bhk · 09-03-04, 08:38 AM

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In the interest of equal time, I will present information on what President Bush was doing during the Vietnam war.

Real equal time would mean finding a book authored by Bush that denigrates the military.

Brain Stew · 09-03-04, 08:41 AM

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Real equal time would mean finding a book authored by Bush that denigrates the military.

I guess in order to do that, it would mean that Bush would have have to had served in the War and been literate enough to write a book.

OldDude · 09-03-04, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Bandoman
I guess in order to do that, it would mean that Bush would have have to had served in the War and been literate enough to write a book.

True, but just reading a bit, it would be easier to stomach Kerry if he had just sat around idly and done coke.

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by OldDude
True, but just reading a bit, it would be easier to stomach Kerry if he had just sat around idly and done coke.

to you maybe. Its the anti-war, anti-Vietnam part of Kerry that appeals to me the most. I'm sure others too.

OldDude · 09-03-04, 09:41 AM

That's why it is time to stop the debate, vote, and see who is in the majority. The country is 100% polarized and no one will change anyone's mind.

The things he was willing to say and do to try to force an end to Vietnam do not leave me with a comfortable feeling he would defend this country, and, frankly, nothing will convince me otherwise. That is a much bigger issue than the stupid metals and Purple Hearts.

Laertes · 09-03-04, 09:41 AM

These are honest questions about to follow....

I only read the first few pages of the introduction, but I'm wondering, forgetting about John Kerry for the moment, why does being critical of your government's policies make you a bad choice for president? Now, thinking about John Kerry's criticism, if you have no problem with a candidate being critical of American policy, is there something particularly offensive about what John Kerry said? I'm wondering why being against a war that many have already judged as wrong is such a bad thing. What am I missing? Are there specific passages in the book that make him a bad choice for president even if you agree being critical of your government is okay?

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Laertes
These are honest questions about to follow....

I only read the first few pages of the introduction, but I'm wondering, forgetting about John Kerry for the moment, why does being critical of your government's policies make you a bad choice for president? Now, thinking about John Kerry's criticism, if you have no problem with a candidate being critical of American policy, is there something particularly offensive about what John Kerry said? I'm wondering why being against a war that many have already judged as wrong is such a bad thing. What am I missing? Are there specific passages in the book that make him a bad choice for president even if you agree being critical of your government is okay?

Apparently its unfashionable to be opposed to war. People are questioning Kerry's ability to defend the country. Defend us from what exactly?

People don't like his Vietnam protest because he sided with the hippies. Damn hippies.

bhk · 09-03-04, 10:06 AM

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and been literate enough to write a book.

I see that you've swung now to the dumb moron part of the moron-evil genius pendulum.

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 10:09 AM

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I see that you've swung now to the dumb moron part of the moron-evil genius pendulum.

No, its simple. Bush is dumb and is used as a pawn of the evil geniuses.

jfoobar · 09-03-04, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by CRM114
to you maybe. Its the anti-war, anti-Vietnam part of Kerry that appeals to me the most. I'm sure others too.

Yes, many others, but not nearly enough to get the man elected. If he si going to win, he is going to have to appeal to millions upon millions of moderates. The stuff of this book isn't the kind of campaign material that is going to help that goal.

jfoobar · 09-03-04, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by CRM114
People don't like his Vietnam protest because he sided with the hippies. Damn hippies.

Many people don't like his Vietnam-era protests because there is ample evidence to suggest that much of it was both disingenuous and self-serving.

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 10:18 AM

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Many people don't like his Vietnam-era protests because there is ample evidence to suggest that much of it was both disingenuous and self-serving.

There is?

weargle · 09-03-04, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by CRM114
to you maybe. Its the anti-war, anti-Vietnam part of Kerry that appeals to me the most. I'm sure others too.

So the fact that he's running as a war hero doesn't bother you at all?

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 10:29 AM

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So the fact that he's running as a war hero doesn't bother you at all?

Not at all. I supported Wesley Clark in the primary. Its much more appealing to me to be a former war hero that understands why he is now anti-war than to be a draft dodger that is a hawk.

weargle · 09-03-04, 10:42 AM

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Not at all. I supported Wesley Clark in the primary. Its much more appealing to me to be a former war hero that understands why he is now anti-war than to be a draft dodger that is a hawk.

But he's not anti-war -- he would have done everything in Iraq just as Bush did, and he has said so himself.

wendersfan · 09-03-04, 10:44 AM

Having read just the epilogue (Senate testimony is dull dull dull) it occurs to me that if Kerry were half as angry and determined now as he was when he wrote this book he might have a lot better chance to become President.

Chew · 09-03-04, 10:45 AM

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But he's not anti-war -- he would have done everything in Iraq just as Bush did, and he has said so himself.

I think I missed that position. I thought he said he would've done everything different. He was referring to authorizing force.

CRM114 · 09-03-04, 10:46 AM

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Having read just the epilogue (Senate testimony is dull dull dull) it occurs to me that if Kerry were half as angry and determined now as he was when he wrote this book he might have a lot better chance to become President.

Agree 100%. In response to weargle, I think the anti-war Kerry is the real Kerry but unfortunately he must play up a "strong on defense" posture to get elected. Politics.

weargle · 09-03-04, 10:47 AM

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Agree 100%. In response to weargle, I think the anti-war Kerry is the real Kerry but unfortunately he must play up a "strong on defense" posture to get elected. Politics.

Wikky wikky won't the real john kerry please stand up, please stand up.

I can't make that leap. I can only judge a man by what he says and does; I can't look into a crystal ball and try and see what the "real" man is.

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Laertes Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 438	These are honest questions about to follow.... I only read the first few pages of the introduction, but I'm wondering, forgetting about John Kerry for the moment, why does being critical of your government's policies make you a bad choice for president? Now, thinking about John Kerry's criticism, if you have no problem with a candidate being critical of American policy, is there something particularly offensive about what John Kerry said? I'm wondering why being against a war that many have already judged as wrong is such a bad thing. What am I missing? Are there specific passages in the book that make him a bad choice for president even if you agree being critical of your government is okay?

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