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Old 10-22-16, 05:13 PM   #51
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It changed popular music around the world. It doesn't matter to me that I'm not a fan, I'd say that the first generations of hip-hop acts definitely belong in the HOF.
I don't disagree with any of that. I'm even a fan of much of it. But if Hip-Hop is to be included in a Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, it should have been after many other equally deserving Rock acts that came years before them were given their due.

And it's not just Hip-Hop. I can't believe Madonna and Pearl Jam were put on ballots when equally, or even more deserving acts from the 60's and 70's haven't made it in.
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Old 10-22-16, 07:14 PM   #52
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The ones that mystify me why they don't at least appear on the ballot:

Johnny Winter
T Rex or as Marc Bolan
Mott the Hoople
Grand Funk Railroad
The Guess Who
The Faces

Is Canned Heat in?
The Faces were inducted (as the Small Faces/Faces) at the 2012 ceremony, which I was fortunate to attend. Unfortunately Rod bailed claiming sickness a day before the ceremony so they flew Mick Hucknall over to sing. Ian McLagan, Ron Wood and Kenney Jones accepted and performed. Steve Marriott's daughter accepted the award on his behalf.
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Old 10-22-16, 08:09 PM   #53
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Electric Light Orchestra (ELO)
Kraftwerk
Steppenwolf
The Cars
The Zombies
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Old 10-23-16, 07:37 AM   #54
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Jethro Tull, eligible since 1993, 23 years ago. The HoF is a joke.
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They've got a ton of great albums. Their worst albums are merely good...
I understand that Richard Thompson will likely never be nominated despite covering having a huge influence on early folk-rock, singer-songwriters, sessions work, and a catalog of 40-plus albums in a career that continues to this day. He's a musician's musician.

But the exclusion of Tull is ridiculous. They hit every criteria: Mass appeal (over 60 million units sold), critical acclaim, large catalogue, & longevity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_(band)

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Legacy

Jethro Tull's music has been referenced in popular culture, appearing in movies, (Breaking the Waves, Anchorman, Almost Famous, Apollo 18, also mentioned by Owen Wilson's character in the movie Armageddon) television series (The Simpsons, Breaking Bad, Supernatural, Life on Mars, Fargo) and commercials.

Their influence on musicians includes Iron Maiden's Steve Harris[94] and Bruce Dickinson, Dream Theater's John Myung,[95] Blind Guardian's Marcus Siepen,[96] Joe Bonamassa, the Decemberists' Jenny Conlee[97] and folk doom metal band Blood Ceremony. Rush's Geddy Lee, for example, said about Jethro Tull: "I was a massive Tull fan from very young ... and, I hope, that too reflects in Rush. I was mesmerised by Ian Anderson. His presentation was simply magical and he delivered it with such a sense of humour and great style ... We [of Rush] saw it as a huge challenge to try and create something that can seem so dynamic onstage."[98]

Gentle Giant's Derek Shulman put Jethro Tull as one of the greatest bands in progressive rock history. After touring with the band in 1972, Shulman praised very much the band as musicians and friends.[99]

Bands who have covered songs from Jethro Tull include Iron Maiden, who recorded their own version of "Cross Eyed Mary" for the B-Side of "The Trooper". The folk band Turisas recorded "Broadsword". Finnish heavy metal band Northern Kings recorded "Fallen on Hard Times". "Rainbow Blues" was covered by Blackmore's Night, former Deep Purple guitarist Ritchie Blackmore's band. The song was released on their 2003 album Ghost of a Rose. The Ronnie James Dio band Elf, in 1972 played live versions "Aqualung" and "Cross Eyed Mary". Also in the seventies, the Italian band Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) played live a version of "My God" and "Bouree". In the Stoner Metal compilation Sucking the 70s, there are two covers of Jethro Tull songs: "Cross-Eyed Mary" and "Hymn 43", from the bands Clutch and Alabama Thunderpussy, respectively.







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Old 10-24-16, 11:17 AM   #55
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As a fan of all 3, I disagree. Even though BB are the godfathers of hardcore punk, their musical talent transcends the genre.
The Dead Kennedys were the greatest hardcore band ever. Their talent also transcended the genre. Fresh Fruit came out 2 years before BB's first LP. Black Flag Damaged one year before. I mean, I could add others that were equally important to the genre as Bad Brains. Seems an odd choice as a singular induction.
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Old 10-24-16, 11:27 AM   #56
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Well, to be fair, Yes is just going in now and they are more deserving than Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull will get in.

As for Journey, as much as I despise Steve Perry's voice, they deserve a spot simply because of how big they were (and at one point, they actually did play rock music ).
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Old 10-24-16, 11:13 PM   #57
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I think Jethro Tull is more suited for the Metal Hall of Fame.
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Old 10-27-16, 07:51 AM   #58
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Interesting read re: 2017 nominees as to why they are an "disgrace" to music.

http://observer.com/2016/10/the-2017...race-to-music/


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Clickbait. Doesn't discuss the bands being a disgrace. Just another rant about how stupid the choices (and non-choices) have been.
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Old 10-27-16, 09:01 AM   #60
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Well, to be fair, Yes is just going in now and they are more deserving than Jethro Tull. Jethro Tull will get in.

As for Journey, as much as I despise Steve Perry's voice, they deserve a spot simply because of how big they were (and at one point, they actually did play rock music ).
ITA. As a huge Yes fan, mostly of material that came out when I was too young to care, I am extremely saddened that they didn't get them inducted as one of the first inductees, when Chris Squire was still alive, and they were still playing very well together as a band.

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Old 10-27-16, 09:46 AM   #61
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Clickbait. Doesn't discuss the bands being a disgrace. Just another rant about how stupid the choices (and non-choices) have been.
Sort of like us here, eh, Tom?

After all, we are the experts!

But you're right in that it's just another guy's opinions, although he does go into detail for each selection as to his reasons for/against.



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Old 10-27-16, 10:16 AM   #62
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I am extremely saddened that they didn't get them indicted as one of the first inductees, when Chris Squire was still alive, and they were still playing very well together as a band.
Tormato was really bad, but no reason to bring a criminal case against them!

It is sad though that they couldn't get in while Chris was still around.
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Old 10-27-16, 10:57 AM   #63
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Tormato was really bad, but no reason to bring a criminal case against them!
Thanks, fixed.

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It is sad though that they couldn't get in while Chris was still around.
More than just when he was alive, when Squire, Howe, Anderson, Wakeman, and White were still playing together and in top form. Toward the end of Squire's life that was no longer true. Group had went different ways again and just couldn't pull it off as well anymore.

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Old 12-20-16, 07:10 AM   #64
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The results are in - Electric Light Orchestra, Joan Baez, Journey, Tupac, Yes, Pearl Jam and Nile Rodgers are officially your 2017 Rock Hall Inductees.
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It will be nice to see an ELO reunion.
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The big question will be will Steve Perry perform with Journey?
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The big question will be will Steve Perry perform with Journey?
I certainly hope they can put it all aside for one night. Same goes for Rolie, but given him and Schon recently played together again with Santana, it's a good bet Greg will be there. Hopefully they can pull off another "Captured" era performance with that lineup.
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It will be nice to see an ELO reunion.
I guess Richard Tandy, Bev Bevan, Mik Kaminski and Jeff are the remaining core. Bassist Kelly Groucutt is deceased. Not sure the various cellists will be inducted.

Edit. Just read this:

ELO: Jeff Lynne, Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and Roy Wood are being inducted.

Good for Roy Wood. A true rocker.

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WTH Tupac? and no Jethro Tull. Asinine!
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WTH Tupac? and no Jethro Tull. Asinine!
The hall usually isn't very kind to heavy metal bands.
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2PAC is an all time great

The way Kraftwek are the Godfathers for Electronic music, Journey really opened the door for Nickelback,Creed ,Bon Jovi and other Crap Rock Acts . Deserving Icons
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Took way too long for ELO to get in!
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I know Tupac won't be the first rapper to be inducted but he will be the first rapist, right?
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Took way too long for ELO to get in!
As much as I am a fan of ELO, Yes should have got in years before they did.

And sadly there are many actual rock bands like Jethro Tull that now go in (hopefully at some point like Yes) after somebody like Tupac.
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I guess Richard Tandy, Bev Bevan, Mik Kaminski and Jeff are the remaining core. Bassist Kelly Groucutt is deceased. Not sure the various cellists will be inducted.

Edit. Just read this:

ELO: Jeff Lynne, Bev Bevan, Richard Tandy and Roy Wood are being inducted.
Nice!
Good for Roy Wood. A true rocker.
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