METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
09-18-16, 04:28 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Agreed. I'm sure those demos will surface again down the line, maybe in a cash grab deluxe edition.
09-19-16, 09:11 AM
#52
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Already seems like a bit of a cash grab to me to put Lords of Summer on the bonus CD. Is it not good enough to be part of the album proper? (I've never heard it).
09-19-16, 11:37 AM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
As I understand it, Lords of Summer was completed years before the writing for the new album was started.
09-19-16, 01:03 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Lords of Summer was sold as a single in 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Summer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_Summer
09-19-16, 01:06 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Right but this is the "final" version of it as I read it somewhere else. It just seems to me like this song was finished during the sessions for the new record so why not include it in the album proper?
I also seem to recall it being touted as one of the first songs they were writing for their new album back then but I don't have a source for that right now.
I also seem to recall it being touted as one of the first songs they were writing for their new album back then but I don't have a source for that right now.
09-19-16, 09:15 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
alleged track times
CD 1:
1. Hardwired 3:09
2. Atlas, Rise! 06:28
3. Now That We're Dead 06:59
4. Moth Into Flame 05:50
5. Dream No More 06:29
6. Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1. Confusion 06:43
2. ManUNkind 06:55
3. Here Comes Revenge 7:17
4. Am I Savage? 06:30
5. Murder One 05:45
6. Spit Out The Bone 07:09
CD 3:
1. Lords Of Summer 07:10
2. Ronnie Rising Medley (feat. A Light In The Black, Tarot Woman, Stargazer & Kill The King) 09:03
3. When A Blind Man Cries 04:35
4. Remember Tomorrow 05:50
5. Helpless (Live) 03:08
6. Hit The Lights (Live) 4:07
7. The Four Horsemen (Live) 5:19
8. Ride The Lightning (Live) 6:56
9. Fade To Black (Live) 7:24
10. Jump In The Fire (Live) 5:13
11.. For Whom The Bell Tolls (Live) 4:32
12. Creeping Death (Live) 6:43
13. Metal Militia (Live) 6:07
14. Hardwired (Live) 03:30
http://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produk...-destruct.html
CD 1:
1. Hardwired 3:09
2. Atlas, Rise! 06:28
3. Now That We're Dead 06:59
4. Moth Into Flame 05:50
5. Dream No More 06:29
6. Halo On Fire 08:15
CD 2:
1. Confusion 06:43
2. ManUNkind 06:55
3. Here Comes Revenge 7:17
4. Am I Savage? 06:30
5. Murder One 05:45
6. Spit Out The Bone 07:09
CD 3:
1. Lords Of Summer 07:10
2. Ronnie Rising Medley (feat. A Light In The Black, Tarot Woman, Stargazer & Kill The King) 09:03
3. When A Blind Man Cries 04:35
4. Remember Tomorrow 05:50
5. Helpless (Live) 03:08
6. Hit The Lights (Live) 4:07
7. The Four Horsemen (Live) 5:19
8. Ride The Lightning (Live) 6:56
9. Fade To Black (Live) 7:24
10. Jump In The Fire (Live) 5:13
11.. For Whom The Bell Tolls (Live) 4:32
12. Creeping Death (Live) 6:43
13. Metal Militia (Live) 6:07
14. Hardwired (Live) 03:30
http://www.nuclearblast.de/de/produk...-destruct.html
at the cash grab covers. Well played, Lars.
09-20-16, 09:46 AM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Maybe it's just me, but each of the "special" covers are worse than the standard CD cover. I'll be getting the standard CD and relying on other options for the deluxe tracks. Especially since the majority are just live tracks and I'm not really into live albums.
09-20-16, 12:20 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
If I had to describe those covers, I would reiterate what my four-year-old said yesterday: that "they are so fucked. They are shit outta luck.*
*My four-year-old just learned swear words.
*My four-year-old just learned swear words.
09-20-16, 09:28 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
No they won't but it's not for the reason you described. I think Metallica died along with Cliff Burton on that road in Sweden. No artist survives a trauma like that unchanged. I know it's an odd comparison, but look at how Gloria Estefan changed following her near-fatal bus accident. No more tight clothes and songs like "Bad Boys," she wore evening gowns and sang in Spanish.
I also remember how significantly Bloom County changed after Breathed's 1987 near-fatal ultra-light plane crash. All the manic energy left the strip.
Even Rush changed following the deaths of Neil's wife and daughter. His lyrics became more personal, and more angry in places. It had none of the detachment of prior albums.
And aside from the trauma of Cliff dying (and James finding his body), the band was given zero time to deal with it. They got no grief counseling. They were ordered to start auditions to replace Cliff the day after his funeral. Newstead has talked about the foul mood the band was in and how cold they were to people auditioning. Six week's after Cliff's death, Newstead was in and they were back on the road. Six weeks after Cliff's death they should have been getting therapy.
I'll always be a little sympathetic to Metallica for the loss and the callous way their label and management treated them. to me, a lot of the dysfunction we saw in SKoM was all that untreated trauma coming to a boiling point.
Metallica didn't lose it the most, anyway. In Flames went downhill far worse and their fans are way more upset.
I also remember how significantly Bloom County changed after Breathed's 1987 near-fatal ultra-light plane crash. All the manic energy left the strip.
Even Rush changed following the deaths of Neil's wife and daughter. His lyrics became more personal, and more angry in places. It had none of the detachment of prior albums.
And aside from the trauma of Cliff dying (and James finding his body), the band was given zero time to deal with it. They got no grief counseling. They were ordered to start auditions to replace Cliff the day after his funeral. Newstead has talked about the foul mood the band was in and how cold they were to people auditioning. Six week's after Cliff's death, Newstead was in and they were back on the road. Six weeks after Cliff's death they should have been getting therapy.
I'll always be a little sympathetic to Metallica for the loss and the callous way their label and management treated them. to me, a lot of the dysfunction we saw in SKoM was all that untreated trauma coming to a boiling point.
Metallica didn't lose it the most, anyway. In Flames went downhill far worse and their fans are way more upset.
I agree with Chad that they outgrew metal. They should probably be making country songs or something now. Go where their muse takes them instead of what they think will make them the most money. Hell, if they did go country they'd probably win a whole new audience who spend much more than metal fans do.
But once you hit a certain level of popularity it's tough to break out of the preconceived notions of your fans. A lot of artists suffer from too much success.
Honestly, Load and Reload were so bad I don't know why I bothered listening to St. Anger, which was the last straw for me. I heard that Death Magnetic was decent but is brickwalled and crushed to hell so I'm skipping it, and this one sounds like it's also uninspired and poorly produced.
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09-21-16, 09:23 AM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I agree with Chad that they outgrew metal. They should probably be making country songs or something now. Go where their muse takes them instead of what they think will make them the most money. Hell, if they did go country they'd probably win a whole new audience who spend much more than metal fans do.
But once you hit a certain level of popularity it's tough to break out of the preconceived notions of your fans. A lot of artists suffer from too much success.
Honestly, Load and Reload were so bad I don't know why I bothered listening to St. Anger, which was the last straw for me. I heard that Death Magnetic was decent but is brickwalled and crushed to hell so I'm skipping it, and this one sounds like it's also uninspired and poorly produced.
I agree with everything.
09-21-16, 12:22 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Not new. There are many that believe Bob Rock ruined/killed Metallica. Got to love music fans. Band enjoys tons of success, gains an exponential number of fans, and smaller numbers claim the band was ruined.
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09-21-16, 12:32 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I don't think Bob Rock "ruined" Metallica. Any damage Metallica has received has been self-inflicted. They hired him to produce. They chose and agreed with the direction. Rock made the band sonically sound as good as they ever could.
I'd love to know how many Metallica apologists got into the band on the black album or later. I wasn't with them since the beginning but I got into them just as Justice came out and devoured their back catalog. There was passion and fire in it. They seemed hungry and pissed off - that's what made them so good.
Suprmallet's point is spot-on regarding becoming the biggest band in the world. Where do you go from there? How do you stay hungry when you've just gorged on success? I just want them to take chances again and do something interesting. To that end, I applaud what they tried with St. Anger and Lulu. But Death Magnetic and what we've heard so far of Hardwired just sound like treading water. I am interested to hear the new album and I will pay do to so.
I'd love to know how many Metallica apologists got into the band on the black album or later. I wasn't with them since the beginning but I got into them just as Justice came out and devoured their back catalog. There was passion and fire in it. They seemed hungry and pissed off - that's what made them so good.
Suprmallet's point is spot-on regarding becoming the biggest band in the world. Where do you go from there? How do you stay hungry when you've just gorged on success? I just want them to take chances again and do something interesting. To that end, I applaud what they tried with St. Anger and Lulu. But Death Magnetic and what we've heard so far of Hardwired just sound like treading water. I am interested to hear the new album and I will pay do to so.
09-21-16, 12:39 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I agree. Where I part ways with them is when people claim there was more to it than that. Far more polished, but for me the claims of other major changes are over exaggerated. Personally I just acknowledge to myself that they sound different, including another (worse) sound on St. Anger/the Magnetics, and enjoy them as different albums
In anticipation of the new album I recently played the first 4 CD's, and the two Load CD's, back to back. Love them all.
In anticipation of the new album I recently played the first 4 CD's, and the two Load CD's, back to back. Love them all.
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09-21-16, 12:53 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I don't think Bob Rock "ruined" Metallica. Any damage Metallica has received has been self-inflicted. They hired him to produce. They chose and agreed with the direction. Rock made the band sonically sound as good as they ever could.
I'd love to know how many Metallica apologists got into the band on the black album or later. I wasn't with them since the beginning but I got into them just as Justice came out and devoured their back catalog. There was passion and fire in it. They seemed hungry and pissed off - that's what made them so good.
Suprmallet's point is spot-on regarding becoming the biggest band in the world. Where do you go from there? How do you stay hungry when you've just gorged on success? I just want them to take chances again and do something interesting. To that end, I applaud what they tried with St. Anger and Lulu. But Death Magnetic and what we've heard so far of Hardwired just sound like treading water. I am interested to hear the new album and I will pay do to so.
I'd love to know how many Metallica apologists got into the band on the black album or later. I wasn't with them since the beginning but I got into them just as Justice came out and devoured their back catalog. There was passion and fire in it. They seemed hungry and pissed off - that's what made them so good.
Suprmallet's point is spot-on regarding becoming the biggest band in the world. Where do you go from there? How do you stay hungry when you've just gorged on success? I just want them to take chances again and do something interesting. To that end, I applaud what they tried with St. Anger and Lulu. But Death Magnetic and what we've heard so far of Hardwired just sound like treading water. I am interested to hear the new album and I will pay do to so.
I got into them on Load.
09-21-16, 01:18 PM
#69
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
That's where they lost me. As much I was not happy at the time about where they went with the black album, I was able to appreciate how good it was taken on its own.
I liked "Until It Sleeps" when I heard it. But when I heard the record and it started with "Ain't My Bitch", I knew it was going to be bad.
Load (and Reload) remind me of GN'R's Use Your Illusion releases. In both cases it seems there was no filter and bands released way too much material. Maybe 20-30% of these releases were good. Somewhere hiding in these overdone releases there might be a decent 8-10 song album.
I liked "Until It Sleeps" when I heard it. But when I heard the record and it started with "Ain't My Bitch", I knew it was going to be bad.
Load (and Reload) remind me of GN'R's Use Your Illusion releases. In both cases it seems there was no filter and bands released way too much material. Maybe 20-30% of these releases were good. Somewhere hiding in these overdone releases there might be a decent 8-10 song album.
09-21-16, 01:28 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I liked Load and Reload quite a bit. They weren't what I would call good Metallica albums, but from a bluesy hard rock standpoint, I felt they succeeded. Agreed with Bunkaroo that being a double album probably hurt it more than helped. I think this style would be a good fit for them as they age, assuming it's something they want to do.
09-21-16, 01:37 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Load (and Reload) remind me of GN'R's Use Your Illusion releases. In both cases it seems there was no filter and bands released way too much material. Maybe 20-30% of these releases were good. Somewhere hiding in these overdone releases there might be a decent 8-10 song album.
If you have ever seen the official GNR UYI example where they did just that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_Your_Illusion
I wouldn't have included over half of the tracks that were chosen.
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09-21-16, 02:06 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Bob Rock didn't ruin Metallica. Hetfield and Ulrich ruined Metallica. But they also made Metallica, so what can you do?
09-21-16, 02:08 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
I've seen this quite a bit in the past. Interesting thing is just how many people totally differ on least half of what should make a cut down single album in each example.
If you have ever seen the official GNR UYI example where they did just that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_Your_Illusion
I wouldn't have included over half of the tracks that were chosen.
If you have ever seen the official GNR UYI example where they did just that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_Your_Illusion
I wouldn't have included over half of the tracks that were chosen.
09-22-16, 11:00 PM
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Re: METALLICA: "HARDWIRED…TO SELF-DESTRUCT" 2CD/3CD Deluxe 11/18/16
Why Kirk Hammett didn’t write much for new Metallica album
When Kirk Hammett lost his phone containing hundreds of song ideas he also lost the chance to contribute much to Metallica’s upcoming album, he’s revealed.
The guitarist had recorded more than 250 riffs onto the handset before it went missing in 2014, but he’d never backed them up.
And it meant he wasn’t able to bring those ideas to the table as the band wrote Hardwired… To Self-Destruct, which will be released in November.
Hammett tells KISW 99.9: “It was devastating for me. I had to start at zero again while everyone else had material for songs.
“By the time I got a few ideas flowing and formed, most of the songs were already written.”
He forced himself to look on the bright side: “I had to think, ‘Okay, I have stuff – but it looks like it’s going to make it onto the next album.”
http://teamrock.com/news/2016-09-22/...etallica-album
When Kirk Hammett lost his phone containing hundreds of song ideas he also lost the chance to contribute much to Metallica’s upcoming album, he’s revealed.
The guitarist had recorded more than 250 riffs onto the handset before it went missing in 2014, but he’d never backed them up.
And it meant he wasn’t able to bring those ideas to the table as the band wrote Hardwired… To Self-Destruct, which will be released in November.
Hammett tells KISW 99.9: “It was devastating for me. I had to start at zero again while everyone else had material for songs.
“By the time I got a few ideas flowing and formed, most of the songs were already written.”
He forced himself to look on the bright side: “I had to think, ‘Okay, I have stuff – but it looks like it’s going to make it onto the next album.”
http://teamrock.com/news/2016-09-22/...etallica-album
