Make a Bold Statement About Music
#126
Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music
One of the most popular genres of all times? I don't think anyone claimed that.
Good stuff, I think I've enough tonight.
#127
DVD Talk Hero
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Considering half the shirts I saw everyday in jr. high and high school between about 1980 - 1986 had Iron Maiden, Priest, Ozzy, Sabbath, Dio, and similar on them, I'd say metal was pretty damn popular. Pretty much every guy, and half the girls my age liked metal. Hair metal (as I define it) didn't really come around until the latter half of the 80's with Poison, Warrant and that stuff.
The mid to late 80s saw a lot of pop-metal with Bands like Poison, Britney Fox, White Lion, Winger, et al becoming popular. The pop crossover probably began with Quiet Riot's cover of Cum on Feel the Noize, which was immensely popular, and then Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet album was a huge pop hit and opened the floodgates for all of these other pop metal bands.
#128
DVD Talk Hero
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Most music sucks. There's maybe 15 artists that have stayed with me.
Pink Floyd is the only "big artist" that is in. The Beatles, Springsteen and lots of other "great" artists are out.
Pink Floyd is the only "big artist" that is in. The Beatles, Springsteen and lots of other "great" artists are out.
#129
DVD Talk Legend
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The original argument was: metal was never popular. And that assertion came with the condition that neither Hair nor Nu metal count as metal. That poisons the well from the get go. Let's not needlessly split hairs, metal, in all it's forms, was/is very popular and successful.
One of the most popular genres of all times? I don't think anyone claimed that.
Good stuff, I think I've enough tonight.
One of the most popular genres of all times? I don't think anyone claimed that.
Good stuff, I think I've enough tonight.
#130
Re: Make a Bold Statement About Music
Sweet a made a bold statement that went so far it got a "beating a dead horse" emoji :-). Just to clarify, I never said Hair or Nu weren't metal, I was just saying that their popularity was due to a movement within metal, not a movement of metal itself. Meaning that the people that loved Bon Jovi were not listening to the likes of Slayer, Sepultura, Bathory, or Death (all different genres of metal, none of them talked about within the mainstream community).
I'm also not saying that just because they liked those groups they should like other parts of metal, but none of the other subgenres of metal were getting the kind of attention hair was. This is talked about in numerous documentaries, namely Metal: A Headbangers Journey and Heavy: The Story of Metal. Metal is a different beast anyways because it does have so many subgenres that make up metal as a whole. I guess the statement would've been less bold had I said black, death, trash, speed, and so on were never popular, but how many would I have to include before it is easier to just say Hair was popular?
I'm also not saying that just because they liked those groups they should like other parts of metal, but none of the other subgenres of metal were getting the kind of attention hair was. This is talked about in numerous documentaries, namely Metal: A Headbangers Journey and Heavy: The Story of Metal. Metal is a different beast anyways because it does have so many subgenres that make up metal as a whole. I guess the statement would've been less bold had I said black, death, trash, speed, and so on were never popular, but how many would I have to include before it is easier to just say Hair was popular?
Last edited by beavis69; 10-21-14 at 04:01 AM.
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#132
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And I don't doubt collaz's anecdote about how many people wore Maiden, Priest and Ozzy t-shirts. That still doesn't mean they were commercially popular. I'm not saying bands like Ozzy, Priest and Maiden aren't metal - I'm saying they weren't as commercially popular as people think.
Last edited by CRM114; 10-21-14 at 09:28 AM.
#133
DVD Talk Legend
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I would consider the early 80's metal bands to be hugely popular. Record sales alone don't tell the story. Their tours did very well, they sold tons of merchandise, and were constantly being played on radio and MTV. Only thing that was missing was the female audience, and the hair band movement eventually brought in that element as well.
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Although his worldview and lyrics never really appealed to me, I thought Cobain was a really excellent songwriter in regards to well-constructed, hooky, melodic yet edgy tunes. I never really got the appeal of Foo Fighters.
#135
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Bob Dylan's version of "All Along the Watchtower" is superior to Jimi Hendrix's.
#136
DVD Talk Legend
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It has now replaced "For What It's Worth" as the ridiculously unimaginative audio cue that is supposed to announce "THE SIXTIES!!!" in movies, television, trailers, etc.
#137
DVD Talk Legend
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Mainstream America has the world's worst taste in music
#138
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I'll sum up by saying Maiden Rules! ... saw them 3 times on the Maiden England Tour Dallas, Gdansk, and Austin. (5 if you could the 2 times I saw them on the Seventh Son Tour when the album came out).
Incredible show, best band out there even still ... they play great live and their new material is still really good.
Incredible show, best band out there even still ... they play great live and their new material is still really good.
#139
DVD Talk Special Edition
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I've seen them probably 17 times or so. Always put on a great show.
But I'd be happier if they dumped Gers off the side of the stage. He's not needed. I know he's Bruce's best mate and everything, but enough's enough. He just gets in the way. And steals solos off Murray and Smith that they play better.
But I'd be happier if they dumped Gers off the side of the stage. He's not needed. I know he's Bruce's best mate and everything, but enough's enough. He just gets in the way. And steals solos off Murray and Smith that they play better.
#140
DVD Talk Legend
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Maiden is still selling out stadiums around the world, while Priest and Motley Crue can't even sell out the local Hard Rock Live. I think their legacy is pretty secure
#141
DVD Talk Legend
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Mainstream music has sucked ever since MTV came along, making substance take a backseat to style. Video really did kill the radio star.
Oops, I forgot the thread title, let me try again.... Video really did kill the radio star.
Also, every single song by Bruce Springsteen sounds like he's drunk or he just woke up. Hell, Frankie Goes To Hollywood's borderline homoerotic version of Born To Run had more energy than Springsteen's.... you can actually hear Bruce yawning during the verses.
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Oops, I forgot the thread title, let me try again.... Video really did kill the radio star.
Also, every single song by Bruce Springsteen sounds like he's drunk or he just woke up. Hell, Frankie Goes To Hollywood's borderline homoerotic version of Born To Run had more energy than Springsteen's.... you can actually hear Bruce yawning during the verses.
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#142
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#143
DVD Talk Hero
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Or Linda McCartney. Maybe they could just give him a tambourine.
#144
DVD Talk Hero
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The UK, with a population of roughly a quarter of The US, is responsible for almost twice as much great pop/rock music than The US.
#146
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Although I am a fan of Jimi Hendrix... I think the original or other earlier versions of pretty much everything he covered are better than his versions.
A couple of examples:
The Leaves - "Hey Joe"
<iframe width="320" height="240" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/d1XysdgoQzo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
The Troggs - "Wild Thing"
<iframe width="320" height="240" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Hce74cEAAaE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
(note: I couldn't find a video for The Wild Ones)
Hendrix was an amazing guitar player (especially in his "live in concert" recordings), but he did tend to take the fun out of songs he covered.
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#147
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The Kinks have the greatest 5-consecutive-album run* of any artist ever, including Beatles, Stones, Dylan, Zeppelin, etc.
*Something Else ('67), Village Green Preservation ('68), Arthur ('69), Lola vs. Powerman ('70), Muswell Hillbillies ('71)
*Something Else ('67), Village Green Preservation ('68), Arthur ('69), Lola vs. Powerman ('70), Muswell Hillbillies ('71)
#148
DVD Talk Legend
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Street Legal is Bob Dylan's best album.
#150
DVD Talk Legend
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The Motley Crue "farewell" tour was very well attended, at least at the summer shed I saw it in, but sadly Priest were only able to sell about a third of the college basketball arena they played in last weekend.