Kiss - Sonic Boom (WALMART EXCLUSIVE 2CD/1DVD) 10/06/09

[statcat]

Originally Posted by The Cow

Coming soon.

the only band I know of with condoms and coffins, they terrify me

[d2cheer]

Originally Posted by B5Erik

No question, skepticism is healthy when it comes to expectations regarding a new KISS album.

However, I view this as an occasion closely equivalent to Revenge where the album matched the hype. They are in similar mindsets - in this case rather than trying to create a monster current KISS album they're trying to create a raw Classic KISS album, more or less.

Paul is enthusiastic about making music again - the Live To Win album and tour got him re-energized, and the Alive 35 Tour is a lot like the Hot in the Shade tour in that they played a LOT of the older material (with the HITS tour that meant anything from the 70's, with Alive 35 that meant nearly the entire ALIVE album - their earliest, and most of their best, songs). Musically I think their heads are in the right place.

My gut feeling is that this is going to be a very good album.

I agree... but do you think it will actually sell that many copies?

The last AC/DC CD sold well but I can't really compare them to anything like that. Just wondering if they are doing this and it will be a bust for them. I would think it would have to at least go Gold for it to be considered a success. IMHO anyway. They are kicking ass on their recent tour though... 90,000 at a recent concert in Canada!!

[Suprmallet]

I really don't think album sales play a major role in Kiss' revenue stream at this point.

[B5Erik]

Originally Posted by d2cheer

I agree... but do you think it will actually sell that many copies?

The last AC/DC CD sold well but I can't really compare them to anything like that. Just wondering if they are doing this and it will be a bust for them. I would think it would have to at least go Gold for it to be considered a success. IMHO anyway. They are kicking ass on their recent tour though... 90,000 at a recent concert in Canada!!

If this is a WalMart exclusive as the reports have indicated then with WalMart promoting it like they did the AC/DC album it could definitely sell 500,000 - 600,000 copies. Black Ice was good, but it wasn't great. Hell, if KISS puts out their best album in 32 years then I wouldn't count out the possibility of a million seller. WalMart can sell a lot of units if they want to.

[Suprmallet]

If it's a Wal-Mart exclusive I won't be buying it.

[nodeerforamonth]

If it's a Wal-Mart exclusive, I'll be buying two copies.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Suprmallet

If it's a Wal-Mart exclusive I won't be buying it.

That's a pretty ridiculous reason to NOT buy an album. And I'm adamantly PRO-UNION.

[BackStJoe]

Originally Posted by Suprmallet

If it's a Wal-Mart exclusive I won't be buying it.

I guess you're not a KISS fan then. Most of us have been waiting for 11 years for some new KISS music!

[Hokeyboy]

Originally Posted by BackStJoe

I guess you're not a KISS fan then. Most of us have been waiting for 11 years for some new KISS music!

Well to be fair, he said he wouldn't buy it. Didn't say anything about not listening to it. Draw your own conclusions, although I plan on trading furs for it.

[Rocketdog2000]

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy

Well to be fair, he said he wouldn't buy it. Didn't say anything about not listening to it. Draw your own conclusions, although I plan on trading furs for it.

LOL! Thanks for that. Best laugh I've had all day.

[Suprmallet]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

That's a pretty ridiculous reason to NOT buy an album. And I'm adamantly PRO-UNION.

I don't support Wal-Mart. Period.

[statcat]

why should kiss even care how much it sells, they're swimming in money as is.

[Hokeyboy]

Originally Posted by Rocketdog2000

LOL! Thanks for that. Best laugh I've had all day.

54-40 or fight, ya'll.

[Hokeyboy]

Originally Posted by statcat

why should kiss even care how much it sells, they're swimming in money as is.

It sends a message to the band, that the fans want to hear more *new* music as opposed to hearing "Rock N Roll All Nite" for the umpteen-thousandth time.


As long as the music's worth listening to, that is.


I never shop at Wal-Mart. Ever. I could pretend it's for altruistic reasons, but in all reality I can't stand the place, being surrounded by ne'er-do-wells and shiftless hoodlums in dungarees, and the whole place smells like a bad day at the zoo. Ugh. Both filthy and foul.

[B5Erik]

Originally Posted by Suprmallet

I don't support Wal-Mart. Period.

But do you support bands you like?

If their best chance at success lies with selling an album exclusively at WalMart you aren't just supporting WalMart, your supporting the band - and more importantly you're supporting MORE new music from that band.

If this album fails that's probably it - no more new KISS albums.

[Suprmallet]

Wrong. Kiss gets paid up front for going exclusively with Wal-Mart. They'll probably make more money just from Wal-Mart's payments to them than they would on actual album sales.

[DaveWadding]

AC/DC sold their album through their website, why wouldn't KISS? This is all a moot point, IMO.

[nodeerforamonth]

Originally Posted by Suprmallet

I don't support Wal-Mart. Period.

Yeah, FUCK wal-mart for giving goods that consumers want for cheap prices! Shame on them!

[B5Erik]

Originally Posted by Suprmallet

Wrong. Kiss gets paid up front for going exclusively with Wal-Mart. They'll probably make more money just from Wal-Mart's payments to them than they would on actual album sales.

But if the album stiffs that still means no new KISS albums going forward. Yeah, they'll have made THEIR money, but WalMart won't have made theirs, so there will be no exclusive deals for KISS in the future - from anyone. That would make it extremely unlikely that they'll be able to work any kind of deal that would be lucrative enough for them to spend the time, money, and effort of recording another new album in the future.

So the sales of this album DO matter. A lot.

[Suprmallet]

Originally Posted by DaveWadding

AC/DC sold their album through their website, why wouldn't KISS? This is all a moot point, IMO.

If they do this (and a portion of those profits don't go to Wal-mart) I will gladly buy it.

[nodeerforamonth]

Rumors are flying around that "KISS" is playing a private party tonight...

edit: from what I heard, it was just Gene & Paul appearing at a private function. Doing what? I don't know. Probably signing autographs from what anyone I knew could tell.

edit #2: crap. I guess they DID play. At least "Deuce". I think this is something that one of their managers didn't even know about...

[B5Erik]

From Guitar Player's Facebook page:

Guitar Player Magazine EditorBoy: KISS review. Heard 5 songs. If you dig KISS, you're gonna dig this new album. Paul sings his ass off. Eric plays some amazingly powerful drums. Gene was finally made to play all of his bass parts (apparently, in the past, if someone had a cool bass idea, he let them play it), and he DOES have a pretty driving sound. Finally, Paul and Tommy's guitars sound HUGE -- with some fab riffs and '70s-style solos.

[Giantrobo]

Originally Posted by B5Erik

From Guitar Player's Facebook page:


Guitar Player Magazine EditorBoy: KISS review. Heard 5 songs. If you dig KISS, you're gonna dig this new album. Paul sings his ass off. Eric plays some amazingly powerful drums. Gene was finally made to play all of his bass parts (apparently, in the past, if someone had a cool bass idea, he let them play it), and he DOES have a pretty driving sound. Finally, Paul and Tommy's guitars sound HUGE -- with some fab riffs and '70s-style solos.

[cactusoly]

when Black Ice came out I bought it directly from the AC/DC website. I hope Kiss does the same. I feel icky whenever I go near Walmart.

[B5Erik]

The thing you've got to remember is that while Gene hasn't played bass on many of Paul's songs over the last 30 years he has played both bass and rhythm guitar on most of his own.

He was a guitar player before he was a bass player and he seems to like playing guitar in the studio more than he does playing bass. Hell, he played a lot of guitar on his 1978 solo album, but didn't play bass on a single song.

But he does have a really good bass playing style and that was a big part of KISS' sound in the 70's, something that Paul wanted to recapture on this album.