Not the most disappointing album of 2003 . . . thus far [parallel thread]

Joeboo835 · 06-15-03, 12:23 PM

I'm so glad i like the metallica album. I'm not sure what everyone is so upset about. I've heard things from terrible lyrics to a bad mix. I think people need to listen to it for what it is and not for what they were expecting.

Just my $.02

RichardW · 06-15-03, 12:26 PM

So far, I've been happy with the CDs I've bought this year (Mary Star of the Sea, American Life, St. Anger and Hail To the Thief).

benedict · 06-15-03, 02:27 PM

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MJKTool · 06-16-03, 11:51 AM

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The problem is that James' voice is totally shot.

Naa I dont agree with that. I think the reason his voice sounds like this is because they did zero production on it. This is the way he has always sounded live thru these years. We are just used to the "studio" sounding James.

jarsim · 06-17-03, 12:37 AM

OK, I agree that Metallica's latest isn't the most disappointing CD of the year. I even started the original "most disappointing album of the year" thread by nominating Massive Attack before it being hijacked into a Metallica-bash-a-thon.

I would say it's not the most disappointing by the fact, that I did not have high expectations for it in the first place. After "Load" and "Re-Load", which have been universally panned on the "rank Metallica" thread, I don't know how/why anyone had high expectations for it in the 1st place. To me that's what "disappointing" is . . . diminished expectations. I think a lot of people have beefs with the Lars/Napster saga. And I agree with just about every criticism I read. However, when it comes down to it, I separate the music from the politics and see it for what it's worth. It seems a lot of people, as even seen on DVDTalk, cannot do this.

Has anyone read the St. Anger review of Pitchfork Media (0.8 out of 10.0 rating)? The review and rating comes off as the most blatant, biased-agenda review I've ever read.

I do not agree with the St. Anger bashing as much as I do not agree with the Hail to Thief (Radiohead can do no wrong) fanboy-ism I've been reading. I'm in-between on both of them. But we are living in a very polarised world now, aren't we?

Rogue588 · 06-17-03, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by jarsim
I would say it's not the most disappointing by the fact, that I did not have high expectations for it in the first place. After "Load" and "Re-Load", which have been universally panned on the "rank Metallica" thread, I don't know how/why anyone had high expectations for it in the 1st place. To me that's what "disappointing" is . . . diminished expectations. I think a lot of people have beefs with the Lars/Napster saga. And I agree with just about every criticism I read. However, when it comes down to it, I separate the music from the politics and see it for what it's worth. It seems a lot of people, as even seen on DVDTalk, cannot do this.

Well as wrong as it might be to pan the new CD due to the Lars/Napster drama, the same could be said of those who dismiss some of the criticisms with the same excuse. Some people just truly [for whatever reason] don't like the album. There's nothing wrong with that.

As for high expectations...I think this came about once Metallica announced their intent to get back to their "harder" pre-"black album" days...if true, they'd only have themselves to blame..

Regarding the thread topic...

Gdrlv · 06-17-03, 11:49 AM

I really haven't purchased anything this year that I've hated. However, I was a bit disappointed in the new discs by Be Good Tanyas and the eels.

benedict · 06-17-03, 01:01 PM

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harpo787 · 06-17-03, 06:03 PM

Just because Metallica hasn't put out an album of new material in 6 years does not mean that St. Anger is truly 6 years "in the making." It's not like they begun writing it 6 years ago, and this is what they came up with.

I'm not saying that I know when they started, but what little I've read says that they had some of it written when they stepped in the studio, and the rest got scrapped and they started anew. I should also say I'm not disagreeing with you in it being a bit disappointing...it's certainly not their most creative effort, but I still do enjoy it, despite all the flaws of "poor production" (not sure what that entails....shrug) and Lars with his trash can lid replacing the snare drum.

I should also say that following a few listens, that this album has dropped down to what might be my least favorite of their releases. Just not enough variety, which is something enjoyed on both Load and Reload. At least they're trying different stuff again, but variety is the spice of life....with the exception of the opening riffs in most of the songs on St. Anger, "the fast and the furious" parts all sound the same.

ALSO, for those who don't like St. Anger at all...you could always call it "St. Anker (stanker)" or "St. Inker" (stinker). (c:

Rypro 525 · 06-17-03, 06:59 PM

Anyone else notice that other bands have used the "trash can lid" for a drum. No doubt, red hot chili peppers.

harpo787 · 06-17-03, 08:02 PM

Yup Rypro, I've noticed it elsewhere, though not on RHCP stuff...which album (or has it been on many)?

My first thought was a song off of Anthrax's "The Sound of White Noise" album...I'll research what song specifically, but I'm pretty sure it's in the song and prominent....but it's pretty much absent on the rest of the album....or at least less prominent.

That would be my only complaint regarding this trash can lid effect on this album, it's just VERY noticeable and prominent throughout. I've since managed to just listen past it and still enjoy the music. (c:

Rypro 525 · 06-17-03, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by harpo787
Yup Rypro, I've noticed it elsewhere, though not on RHCP stuff...which album (or has it been on many)?

check out the californication album. Also the fm radio version doesn't have as much of a ring (but I don't mind it)

evenflow · 06-18-03, 09:08 AM

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Originally posted by Keyser Soze
Wow... with that way of thinking "St. Anger" may just end up being a "classic" Metallica album in another 10 years!

Umm no.

I can't believe you guys are disappointed in the new Blur. It's at least better than Leisure or 13. "Ambulance", "Out of Time", "Caravan Song", "Sweet Song", "Good Song" are among the best songs Blur has ever done.

Grimfarrow · 06-18-03, 10:29 AM

Can't believe some have said Blur's "Think Tank" is the most disappointing! IMO it's the best thing they've done yet. But then, I was never a fan of their old sound. "13" and the self-titled one was pretty horrible IMO. But "Think Tank" is easily one of the best albums of the year.

evenflow · 06-18-03, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Grimfarrow
But "Think Tank" is easily one of the best albums of the year.

MJKTool · 06-18-03, 12:39 PM

Metallica's new album. Alot of people are being total drama queens over the sound imo.

LiquidSky · 06-18-03, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Penny Lane
But there's always the new Pete Yorn cd, Day I Forgot. And you wonder why it was released for a mere $6.99 at your local Circuit City. It's because it's a true yawn-fest. ick.

Ohh! I like his new CD.

mkdevo · 06-18-03, 02:05 PM

oooooooooooohhhhh....

i'm just now understanding the purpose of this thread.. basically it's to argue with the opinions of people in the other thread.. so if someone says 'xxxxxx is the worst album of the year', instead of calling them a f***tard over there, you can come here and do it..

it's all clear now...

Keyser Soze · 06-18-03, 09:27 PM

f***tard.

-k
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Rogue588 · 06-18-03, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by mkdevo
oooooooooooohhhhh....

i'm just now understanding the purpose of this thread.. basically it's to argue with the opinions of people in the other thread.. so if someone says 'xxxxxx is the worst album of the year', instead of calling them a f***tard over there, you can come here and do it..

it's all clear now...

Took me a couple posts too...

06-15-03, 12:26 PM	#2
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06-17-03, 12:37 AM	#5
jarsim Suspended Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sonoran Desert; a place where it doesn't matter whether or not one can pronounce Donnacha. Posts: 615	OK, I agree that Metallica's latest isn't the most disappointing CD of the year. I even started the original "most disappointing album of the year" thread by nominating Massive Attack before it being hijacked into a Metallica-bash-a-thon. I would say it's not the most disappointing by the fact, that I did not have high expectations for it in the first place. After "Load" and "Re-Load", which have been universally panned on the "rank Metallica" thread, I don't know how/why anyone had high expectations for it in the 1st place. To me that's what "disappointing" is . . . diminished expectations. I think a lot of people have beefs with the Lars/Napster saga. And I agree with just about every criticism I read. However, when it comes down to it, I separate the music from the politics and see it for what it's worth. It seems a lot of people, as even seen on DVDTalk, cannot do this. Has anyone read the St. Anger review of Pitchfork Media (0.8 out of 10.0 rating)? The review and rating comes off as the most blatant, biased-agenda review I've ever read. I do not agree with the St. Anger bashing as much as I do not agree with the Hail to Thief (Radiohead can do no wrong) fanboy-ism I've been reading. I'm in-between on both of them. But we are living in a very polarised world now, aren't we? Last edited by jarsim; 06-17-03 at 12:39 AM.

06-17-03, 11:49 AM	#7
Gdrlv DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,536	I really haven't purchased anything this year that I've hated. However, I was a bit disappointed in the new discs by Be Good Tanyas and the eels. __________________ "What's so fine about art?" -Old 97's XBox Live and PSN Handles: RDGVegas

06-17-03, 06:03 PM	#9
harpo787 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: in the land of humidity Posts: 1,959	Just because Metallica hasn't put out an album of new material in 6 years does not mean that St. Anger is truly 6 years "in the making." It's not like they begun writing it 6 years ago, and this is what they came up with. I'm not saying that I know when they started, but what little I've read says that they had some of it written when they stepped in the studio, and the rest got scrapped and they started anew. I should also say I'm not disagreeing with you in it being a bit disappointing...it's certainly not their most creative effort, but I still do enjoy it, despite all the flaws of "poor production" (not sure what that entails....shrug) and Lars with his trash can lid replacing the snare drum. I should also say that following a few listens, that this album has dropped down to what might be my least favorite of their releases. Just not enough variety, which is something enjoyed on both Load and Reload. At least they're trying different stuff again, but variety is the spice of life....with the exception of the opening riffs in most of the songs on St. Anger, "the fast and the furious" parts all sound the same. ALSO, for those who don't like St. Anger at all...you could always call it "St. Anker (stanker)" or "St. Inker" (stinker). (c: __________________ July 8, 2003: RIP Stevie Ray "You can pick your friends, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't keep your eyes open while you're sneezing." -Weird Al My collection...more than I thought I'd ever have! (full collection not yet entered)

06-15-03, 12:23 PM	#1
Joeboo835 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,969	I'm so glad i like the metallica album. I'm not sure what everyone is so upset about. I've heard things from terrible lyrics to a bad mix. I think people need to listen to it for what it is and not for what they were expecting. Just my $.02

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harpo787 DVD Talk Special Edition Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: in the land of humidity Posts: 1,959	Yup Rypro, I've noticed it elsewhere, though not on RHCP stuff...which album (or has it been on many)? My first thought was a song off of Anthrax's "The Sound of White Noise" album...I'll research what song specifically, but I'm pretty sure it's in the song and prominent....but it's pretty much absent on the rest of the album....or at least less prominent. That would be my only complaint regarding this trash can lid effect on this album, it's just VERY noticeable and prominent throughout. I've since managed to just listen past it and still enjoy the music. (c: __________________ July 8, 2003: RIP Stevie Ray "You can pick your friends, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't keep your eyes open while you're sneezing." -Weird Al My collection...more than I thought I'd ever have! (full collection not yet entered)

06-18-03, 10:29 AM	#14
Grimfarrow DVD Talk Platinum Edition Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,797	Can't believe some have said Blur's "Think Tank" is the most disappointing! IMO it's the best thing they've done yet. But then, I was never a fan of their old sound. "13" and the self-titled one was pretty horrible IMO. But "Think Tank" is easily one of the best albums of the year.

06-18-03, 12:39 PM	#16
MJKTool Suspended Join Date: Jun 1999 Posts: 15,108	Metallica's new album. Alot of people are being total drama queens over the sound imo.

06-18-03, 02:05 PM	#18
mkdevo DVD Talk Limited Edition Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: CT Posts: 5,127	oooooooooooohhhhh.... i'm just now understanding the purpose of this thread.. basically it's to argue with the opinions of people in the other thread.. so if someone says 'xxxxxx is the worst album of the year', instead of calling them a f***tard over there, you can come here and do it.. it's all clear now... __________________ http://www.youtube.com/mkdevo

06-18-03, 09:27 PM	#19
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