Kelly Osbourne - Shut Up

[Jackskeleton]

Originally posted by GuessWho
tori amos

this coming from the person who hates the simpsons and the matrix.

[Scorpio]

GuessWho, I'm going to hit you with a bag of skee-balls for dissing Tori.

[milo bloom]

I haven't heard anything from Tori Amos once that didn't make me want to put my head thru a window, then down onto the pieces of glass.

Music can be serious or it can be funny, but it needs to be good. I ain't saying Kelly is a prodigy or anything, but I get an energetic vibe off of her that I like. With a little practice and time I think she could really be something.

And I used to get pissed off when grownups (esp my dad) used to complain about how all rap sounds the same. I had MTVHits on the past few nights, and there would be a few pop songs, then a few rap songs. And the rap songs all sounded the same! J Lo's "Jenny from the Block" is just patting herself on the back for keeping it real, when I've read many accounts of her being quite fake. The only thing I've heard from the rap world with any real originality is Eminem, and truthfuly I think he's a wonderful artist. Just listen to "Lose Yourself" technically, and you can see how well he crafts his songs and lyrics.

And most modern country is just pop with a steel guitar, and even worse lyrics than usual. The only real country is stuff like Patsy Cline or "He Stopped Loving her Today" (by I'm having a brainfart and can't remember who sang it) and even He Stopped... isn't that country, it could be redone without the twang so to speak, and be a pop song today.
Case in point: Landslide. I first heard it as a Smashing Pumpkins song. I then learned they had covered an old Fleetwood Mac song. Each version was good and had it's particular strengths. Now the Dixie Chicks have covered it, and the only difference is they added the twang!

And Alan Jackson needs to be beaten with a large blunt object for that piece of crap propaganda crap he crapped out, ate off the floor, then crapped again and sold as music. South Park was too kind to him.

[Daytripper]

Don't most singers write about life experiences? Well, clearly Tori's hasn't been all sunshine. Who would want all Spice Girls all the time anyway? I thank God for artists like Tori (and Aimee Mann). Radio is dead. And the Top 40 charts are a joke. And have been for years.

[Nazgul]

Originally posted by RevLiver
Independent artists on independent labels from independent record stores, that's the only way to go.

Really? I live in a fairly active town for indie music and to me it all sounds exactly the same.

Not all mainstream stuff is crap, although it's cool to say it is.

[Meatpants]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Even though I dont like everyone on this list, its ridiculous to think that brat has more talent.

"Talent" isn't necessary to make a good record. I don't think anyone said Kelly Osbourne could sing as well or look as good in leather as Faith Hill. That said, Kelly's CD is a much more enjoyable record than Faith Hill's overwrought album.

If you like bands like The Donnas, The Eyeliners, and the poppiest moments of Hole, you can like Kelly Osbourne's disc. You can't even tell it's her voice it's been so tweaked.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Meatpants
"Talent" isn't necessary to make a good record.

Its not!!?...... Oh thats right I forgot, its about bling bling this, bling bling that, how many different hair styles you got, how many hoes you got in your video, how many cars you got. "skater boi" this,"dont be fooled by the rocks I got" that. I guess as long as people accept recycable garbage with absolutely no talent whatsoever, record compaies will never change...why should they.

Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it. That society should just accept mediocre and crap as the norm.

Jeeze these kids these days

[MWB]

I respect her as an artist, but I don't believe I've ever heard a Tori Amos song that my ears haven't bled through.

[Meatpants]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Its not!!?...... Oh thats right I forgot, its about bling bling this, bling bling that, how many different hair styles you got, how many hoes you got in your video, how many cars you got. "skater boi" this,"dont be fooled by the rocks I got" that. I guess as long as people accept recycable garbage with absolutely no talent whatsoever, record compaies will never change...why should they.

Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it. That society should just accept mediocre and crap as the norm.

Jeeze these kids these days

Reading comprehension is a skill.

I didn't say music should be this way. Ideally, it'd be nice if musicians went into the stuidio and played their own instruments and used their own voices, etc. But that's not where we're at. Most mainstream music today is produced, in the truest sense of the word. They electronically change Britney Spears' voice from album to album to fit the songs. That's the world we're in. So under those rules, natural talent is unnecessary. Kelly Osbourne may or may not have it, but her album is OK.

And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

[GuessWho]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Silly me to think that music (art) should have any kind of substance to it.

Silly me to consider music entertainment.

[Hondo]

Originally posted by Meatpants
And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

My $0.02:

Although this is true, in my experience it's the people with not so much technical talent, but gobs of creativity that make memorable music. A skewed world view doesn't hurt, either. I'm thinking about The Stooges or The Ramones in the old days and maybe The White Stripes today. For these people, too much technical skill can get in the way. They aren't concerned about the "right way" and that frees them to do it their way.

Taking someone who can just carry a tune, getting a songwriter to craft a poppy little tune and then tarting it up with a lot of studio gadgetry, does not make a tune that will stand the test of time. I admit that I have not heard Kelly Osborne nor am I likely to, but I suspect that is what has been done with her. All I can say is I hope she has a good financial adviser, because her fifteen minutes are just about up.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by GuessWho
Silly me to consider music entertainment.

Art is entertainment.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
imo she IS the garbage that is on the charts today. and I am basing my opinion on her single "shut up". there is no way in hell i would ever subject myself to listening to a full 40 minutes of her.

just curious as to who you think is worse?

Not everyone needs to sound like "TOOL"


anyway, KO's cd isn't bad. I heard her on LOVELINE last night and they played a few cuts that actually sounded decent. She said her favorites bands are 80's bands and that's waht her cd kinda sounds like.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Not everyone needs to sound like "TOOL"

Did I say that?

Didnt think so.

Thank You!

Back at you buddy

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
Did I say that?

Didnt think so.

Thank You!

Back at you buddy

[atlantamoi]

Meatpants, just wanna say I'm in agreement with you in many ways.

MJKTool, I'm not a little kid and I can honestly say my favorite music is not about the most talented artists around. For example, I was watching Ryan Adams SPAM... and the night before I saw And You Will Know Us By The Trail of Dead. These guys are talented, but maybe not in the way of getting everything just "perfect". How boring that would be. Adams was on Letterman and his voice was raspy as all get out. I can picture my father complaining that he can't sing... but for me, it was just bliss.

[MJKTool]

Im not saying that music has to be "perfect" by any means. Just put some effort into it for crying out loud. When I first heard "Shut Up" I honestly thought it was a commercial for the show or possibly a joke, it just had to be. How can something that infintile get on the air. At least with the boy bands and girl bands they had "decent" harmony, singing etc. Kelly Osbourne is the worst singer I think I have ever heard, and those lyrics are not helping either... "blah blah" ... my 3 yr old nephew could write better lyrics.

I did not intend to offend anybody because I honestly did not expect anyone to support her, and thats the truth

[milo bloom]

Originally posted by MJKTool
, and those lyrics are not helping either... "blah blah" ... my 3 yr old nephew could write better lyrics.

Didn't you see that Far Side cartoon that had two panels of a human yelling at a dog? The first had the human saying, "Bad dog Ginger! No biscuit for you! You better act good Ginger"
The second panel had what the dog heard, "blah blah Ginger blah blah blah blah blah blah Ginger"

Same idea

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by milo bloom
Didn't you see that Far Side cartoon that had two panels of a human yelling at a dog? The first had the human saying, "Bad dog Ginger! No biscuit for you! You better act good Ginger"
The second panel had what the dog heard, "blah blah Ginger blah blah blah blah blah blah Ginger"

Same idea

AHHH, how deep and meaningfull an idea she had there

[GuessWho]

Who put the bop in the bop sho bop sho bop
Who put the ram in the ramadama ding dong?




not every classic song needs "meaning of life" lyrics

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by GuessWho
Who put the bop in the bop sho bop sho bop
Who put the ram in the ramadama ding dong?

What in the blue hell are you talking about???

not every classic song needs "meaning of life" lyrics

And if you are saying "Shut Up" is going to be a classic song, then I think you may have topped yourself with regards to your comments concearning music.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Meatpants
Reading comprehension is a skill.

I didn't say music should be this way. Ideally, it'd be nice if musicians went into the stuidio and played their own instruments and used their own voices, etc. But that's not where we're at. Most mainstream music today is produced, in the truest sense of the word. They electronically change Britney Spears' voice from album to album to fit the songs. That's the world we're in. So under those rules, natural talent is unnecessary. Kelly Osbourne may or may not have it, but her album is OK.

And generally speaking, lots of great albums have been made by artists of questionable talent.

True true.

When I worked at a hip hop station back in the early 90's the word was Al B Sure's voice was altered on his albums because his real voice was DEEPER than in his songs.

I still say certain members of KISS(Gene and Paul) haven't played on many of their albums. They just hire players and slap their names on their albums. We all know how they hired hands to fill for Ace and Peter when they were acting stupid on drugs.

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by MJKTool
AHHH, how deep and meaningfull an idea she had there

Maybe she doesn't know anything about "PRISON SEX" like members of TOOL.

[MJKTool]

Originally posted by Giantrobo
Maybe she doesn't know anything about "PRISON SEX" like members of TOOL.

Well if we are going to be cute here. "Prison Sex" is actually a metaphore for child abuse. Meaning that children are trapped and raped like inmates are trapped and raped in prison. Thus the term Prison Sex.

That is alot of problems people have with Tool, coming to quick judgements and basing their judgements without proper knowledge and thinking a little deeper. Dont ever try me on Tool knowledge my friend

[big whoppa]

When I heard her version of Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach" I didn't hate it but then I had to ask "Why should she remake that song?" That chubby, chameleon-haired brat!