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Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
07-25-16, 01:17 AM
#101
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07-25-16, 07:51 AM
#102
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Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I enjoyed it. Lots of good action though a lot of the fight scenes are filmed too close. Let the camera breath a little!
The majority of the humor fell flat. You could tell they were trying but very few lines actually hit the funny bone. I think there were only two lines that got a laugh from the packed audience I saw it with today.
Nice nods to the original series. The CG was generally good except the awful aliens in the first scene. They were terrible and the CG was so bad, I was very afraid of what was maybe to come. Luckily it was way better after that.
I saw it in IMAX 3D. The 3D was generally flat except in the CG scenes. Not much depth at all which was disappointing. Bright and colorful though.
I was mixed on the usage of "Sabotage." While it actually fit pretty well with what was going on, it was also cheesy. But it was also my 12 year old son's favorite part. He loved it when they were blowing the shit out of the aliens and the song was pumping. It didn't bother me and I guess it was just as well as having a generic action score playing during that scene. Cheesy but gave it some flavor if that makes sense.
The alien Jai-La (or whatever her name was) is a great character and very enjoyable. Look forward to seeing her in the future. I was hoping that her and Scotty might get a little heat going. Nice change of pace from Kirk always getting the hot alien chicks and it was nice that they didn;t go in that direction.
The villain was one-note and not very interesting. Was it explained why he transformed some in the end scene. I didn't quite understand that.
I think the guy doing Spock didn't do as well in this movie. He just seemed to be missing something. His attempts at dry Spock humor just didn't catch this time. Maybe it was him or maybe it was the script. Everyone else was great and it was sad thinking about that Anton recently dying every time he showed up on screen.
I thought the scene with them showing Sulu had a husband was nice but they lingered just a little too long on it like they were trying to hit you over the head. Someone in this thread said that George Takei didn't like it. I hadn't heard that. Can anyone explain why?
All in all, a very enjoyable throwback to a normal Star Trek original series episode...with just a lot more action and better special effects. I and my family really enjoyed it even though it won't necessarily knock your socks off. It has its problems but they are minor in my opinion and did not detract from me enjoying it.
My rating - 4 out of 5
The majority of the humor fell flat. You could tell they were trying but very few lines actually hit the funny bone. I think there were only two lines that got a laugh from the packed audience I saw it with today.
Nice nods to the original series. The CG was generally good except the awful aliens in the first scene. They were terrible and the CG was so bad, I was very afraid of what was maybe to come. Luckily it was way better after that.
I saw it in IMAX 3D. The 3D was generally flat except in the CG scenes. Not much depth at all which was disappointing. Bright and colorful though.
I was mixed on the usage of "Sabotage." While it actually fit pretty well with what was going on, it was also cheesy. But it was also my 12 year old son's favorite part. He loved it when they were blowing the shit out of the aliens and the song was pumping. It didn't bother me and I guess it was just as well as having a generic action score playing during that scene. Cheesy but gave it some flavor if that makes sense.
The alien Jai-La (or whatever her name was) is a great character and very enjoyable. Look forward to seeing her in the future. I was hoping that her and Scotty might get a little heat going. Nice change of pace from Kirk always getting the hot alien chicks and it was nice that they didn;t go in that direction.
The villain was one-note and not very interesting. Was it explained why he transformed some in the end scene. I didn't quite understand that.
I think the guy doing Spock didn't do as well in this movie. He just seemed to be missing something. His attempts at dry Spock humor just didn't catch this time. Maybe it was him or maybe it was the script. Everyone else was great and it was sad thinking about that Anton recently dying every time he showed up on screen.
I thought the scene with them showing Sulu had a husband was nice but they lingered just a little too long on it like they were trying to hit you over the head. Someone in this thread said that George Takei didn't like it. I hadn't heard that. Can anyone explain why?
All in all, a very enjoyable throwback to a normal Star Trek original series episode...with just a lot more action and better special effects. I and my family really enjoyed it even though it won't necessarily knock your socks off. It has its problems but they are minor in my opinion and did not detract from me enjoying it.
My rating - 4 out of 5
07-25-16, 07:53 AM
#103
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Perhaps something was "off" in the room I saw it in, but I (and the friends I saw it with) had a problem with the 3D. The polarized lens (being tinted) obviously darken what you're seeing, and their was an abundance of darkly-lit scenes in the movie, all of which played as very murky. I haven't had this type of problem with a film since theaters went digital; I found myself thinking "This will look much better on home video." I wished I had chosen 2D.
I tend to agree with the last couple of commenters about the film. It was "watchable" enough, but the villain just didn't grab me and was easily upstaged by "Jaylah".
I tend to agree with the last couple of commenters about the film. It was "watchable" enough, but the villain just didn't grab me and was easily upstaged by "Jaylah".
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07-25-16, 10:53 AM
#104
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Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw it last night and I thought it was fantastic. The feel of the characters felt so much better this time. They were just getting put together in the first one and Into Darkness was so grim, but despite the situation they were put in here, they truly felt like they had been out in space together for two years and had really gotten to know each other.
This. Absolutely this. Insurrection lacked the cinematic scale necessary to do the whole "episode on the big screen" trick, but Beyond nailed it.
And though I doubt they had it in mind when they were filming, I would also like to nominate Jayla for new Nav officer in the next movie.
And I thought the villain's history was a great shoutout to the franchise's history. There's so many untold stories from that era.
And though I doubt they had it in mind when they were filming, I would also like to nominate Jayla for new Nav officer in the next movie.
And I thought the villain's history was a great shoutout to the franchise's history. There's so many untold stories from that era.
07-25-16, 12:47 PM
#105
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Not to mention all of the racist shit that was constantly being thrown at Spock by McCoy and others. He's called names, had slurs used against him, and is frequently mistrusted by other members of the crew simply for being Vulcan.
(Of course the Vulcans in ST '09 were kind of racist dicks, too.)
(Of course the Vulcans in ST '09 were kind of racist dicks, too.)
On Vulcan, "green-blooded hobgoblin" was familiar and affectionate. They would say things like:
"Yo yo yo, you green-blooded fool, where you been hiding at?"
"In da club, tapping that Andorian ass!"
"You are the mack hobgoblin!"
"You got that right, hobby!"
But then when a white man like McCoy tries to use that slang, he's called a racist.
07-25-16, 03:22 PM
#106
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I really wanted to have a blast with this one, but wow, was Justin Lin a horrible choice for a director.
My biggest issues with the film were the horrible shaky cam approach to a handful of action scenes and the complete wasted casting of Idris Elba. It doesn't help that the supposed big plot twist is spoiled early on when Elba is visible in a crew photo aboard the Franklin only slightly out of focus over Spock's shoulder.
Pegg's script does its best to evoke the original series quite well, and there are moments where I felt the film was going to really swing for the fences (when Jaylah and Scotty find Kirk and Chekov in her trap, there's a nice musical cue by Giacchino that is vintage TOS scoring), but ultimately it backs off nine times out of ten.
The use of Sabotage I argue, will be debated for years to come; either it's one of the most brilliant left-field moments in the entire 50-year franchise or one of the most cringeworthy; I'm definitely an advocate of the latter.
Overall, "Beyond" feels like a half-hearted attempt to capture some very brief moments of what made TOS fun, but does so by seemingly using "Insurrection" as an example. Say what you will about "Final Frontier", but I'll take its bold but misguided script over this ultimately pointless endeavor. Ultimately, the real capper on the whole film are the performances which aside from Urban, Yelchin, Boutella (Jaylah), and Pegg, are phoned in and apathetic.
While "Beyond" is a definite improvement in overall ambition from "Into Darkness" it's by no means a great film and hard to argue it's even a good film. The goodwill from Abrams' original entry is all put gone from this new series' sails.
My biggest issues with the film were the horrible shaky cam approach to a handful of action scenes and the complete wasted casting of Idris Elba. It doesn't help that the supposed big plot twist is spoiled early on when Elba is visible in a crew photo aboard the Franklin only slightly out of focus over Spock's shoulder.
Pegg's script does its best to evoke the original series quite well, and there are moments where I felt the film was going to really swing for the fences (when Jaylah and Scotty find Kirk and Chekov in her trap, there's a nice musical cue by Giacchino that is vintage TOS scoring), but ultimately it backs off nine times out of ten.
The use of Sabotage I argue, will be debated for years to come; either it's one of the most brilliant left-field moments in the entire 50-year franchise or one of the most cringeworthy; I'm definitely an advocate of the latter.
Overall, "Beyond" feels like a half-hearted attempt to capture some very brief moments of what made TOS fun, but does so by seemingly using "Insurrection" as an example. Say what you will about "Final Frontier", but I'll take its bold but misguided script over this ultimately pointless endeavor. Ultimately, the real capper on the whole film are the performances which aside from Urban, Yelchin, Boutella (Jaylah), and Pegg, are phoned in and apathetic.
While "Beyond" is a definite improvement in overall ambition from "Into Darkness" it's by no means a great film and hard to argue it's even a good film. The goodwill from Abrams' original entry is all put gone from this new series' sails.
07-25-16, 03:55 PM
#107
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
As of right now 68.18% of the votes here are 4 stars or higher. That's pretty darned good.
As is the movie.
As is the movie.
07-25-16, 05:17 PM
#108
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
My biggest issues with the film were the horrible shaky cam approach to a handful of action scenes and the complete wasted casting of Idris Elba. It doesn't help that the supposed big plot twist is spoiled early on when Elba is visible in a crew photo aboard the Franklin only slightly out of focus over Spock's shoulder.
The use of Sabotage I argue, will be debated for years to come; either it's one of the most brilliant left-field moments in the entire 50-year franchise or one of the most cringeworthy; I'm definitely an advocate of the latter.
07-25-16, 07:02 PM
#109
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Perhaps something was "off" in the room I saw it in, but I (and the friends I saw it with) had a problem with the 3D. The polarized lens (being tinted) obviously darken what you're seeing, and their was an abundance of darkly-lit scenes in the movie, all of which played as very murky. I haven't had this type of problem with a film since theaters went digital; I found myself thinking "This will look much better on home video." I wished I had chosen 2D.
07-25-16, 07:42 PM
#110
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I did not have an issue with the Krall reveal. I'm very observant on those types of things, but did not figure it out until Uhura did. I did pick up on the trinket being of significance because the camera lingered and the screen glitches when Spock put it in the vault.
I'm indifferent on the song. I do think it fit the context as was mentioned above, especially as the alien had been listening to old earth music.
Also, the only scene I felt was too frantic, over the top and difficult to follow was when they went back to the saucer and we're trying to escape. With all the flips and twists, I found it hard to determine who was where and what was going on.
I'm indifferent on the song. I do think it fit the context as was mentioned above, especially as the alien had been listening to old earth music.
Also, the only scene I felt was too frantic, over the top and difficult to follow was when they went back to the saucer and we're trying to escape. With all the flips and twists, I found it hard to determine who was where and what was going on.
07-25-16, 08:06 PM
#111
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
but did not figure it out until Uhura did.
Likewise, because she kept rewinding it and it was focusing on the black dude mouthing something - then you see Idris in the background.
07-25-16, 08:24 PM
#113
DVD Talk God
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Saw a matinee today. Used the Movie Cash ($8) from buying the new Wrath of Khan Blu-Ray. Only paid $2 out of pocket.
Not going to write some extended Nathaniel Hawthorne or Star Trek nerd analysis. Overall thought it was significantly better than Into Darkness. Very fast paced and I liked the humor to lighten it up a bit. Liked the little nod to Nimoy and the orginal crew. Great scenes between Quinto and Urban. Loved the chemistry and humor with them together.
Agree about Jayla. I liked her as well. Thought she was a nice addition to the cast. She could be a decent crew member replacement for Chekov if they go into that direction. But she does have to finish Starfleet Academy first. I didn't mind the Sulu married/gay thing. Thought it was very subtle in the context of things.
So sad that Yelchin is no longer with us. Chekov had a huge presence in this movie and was quite good and funny.
A very solid addition to the series. I'll definitely watch this again when it hits BD in the Fall/Winter and add it to my Trek collection.
Not going to write some extended Nathaniel Hawthorne or Star Trek nerd analysis. Overall thought it was significantly better than Into Darkness. Very fast paced and I liked the humor to lighten it up a bit. Liked the little nod to Nimoy and the orginal crew. Great scenes between Quinto and Urban. Loved the chemistry and humor with them together.
Agree about Jayla. I liked her as well. Thought she was a nice addition to the cast. She could be a decent crew member replacement for Chekov if they go into that direction. But she does have to finish Starfleet Academy first. I didn't mind the Sulu married/gay thing. Thought it was very subtle in the context of things.
So sad that Yelchin is no longer with us. Chekov had a huge presence in this movie and was quite good and funny.
A very solid addition to the series. I'll definitely watch this again when it hits BD in the Fall/Winter and add it to my Trek collection.
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07-25-16, 08:49 PM
#114
DVD Talk God
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
07-26-16, 12:21 AM
#115
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Unfortunately, one of the TV ads showed Elba's "human" face and so I knew that plot turn was coming (or at least the nature of it).
07-26-16, 01:33 AM
#116
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Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
As a HUGE ST:TNG fan, but never watched any of the original series, I feel like I should be in the prime target zone for the new movie series, since I have no attachment to the original, but I just can't get into the new movies. My complaints;
1) Minor issue, but I HATE stuff like Scotty jumping out of his life boat just in time and one hand catching/hanging off the edge of the cliff. Freaking 140lb Simon Peg has the grip strength of a freaking cyborg?!
2) Krall was a shit villain. I know the Avengers just did it, but it would of made more sense if Krall was trying to drive a wedge into the Federation races and revert to conflict like he loved, rather than generic "grr I hate you all you must die grr!"
3) 200+ year old Krall, stranded on an abandoned planet, using out dated probes and mining equipment was able to completely hack all of Starfleet? Is there no IT security department in the future?
4) Motorcycles and Sabotage. Nuff said.
Overall, it wasen't horrible, but definitely a one time viewing. I just felt it was too scattered with a lazy plot.
1) Minor issue, but I HATE stuff like Scotty jumping out of his life boat just in time and one hand catching/hanging off the edge of the cliff. Freaking 140lb Simon Peg has the grip strength of a freaking cyborg?!
2) Krall was a shit villain. I know the Avengers just did it, but it would of made more sense if Krall was trying to drive a wedge into the Federation races and revert to conflict like he loved, rather than generic "grr I hate you all you must die grr!"
3) 200+ year old Krall, stranded on an abandoned planet, using out dated probes and mining equipment was able to completely hack all of Starfleet? Is there no IT security department in the future?
4) Motorcycles and Sabotage. Nuff said.
Overall, it wasen't horrible, but definitely a one time viewing. I just felt it was too scattered with a lazy plot.
07-26-16, 01:58 AM
#117
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
4) Motorcycles and Sabotage. Nuff said.
07-26-16, 02:56 AM
#118
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I thought Kirk's line toward the beginning of the movie about life aboard the Enterprise during the five-year mission feeling "episodic" was a nice touch.
07-26-16, 06:27 AM
#119
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Did fans get this upset when they used "Magic Carpet Ride" in First Contact? I can't remember. I love that moment.
07-26-16, 09:17 AM
#120
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I don't get it, for years Trekkies have complained about the show only using classical pieces, saying that the characters would have more varied tastes in music (of course, the real reason being the TV shows didn't have the budget) and now we get something different and people are still complaining.
07-26-16, 12:43 PM
#121
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I seem to recall the theater loving that moment back in the day.
I don't get it, for years Trekkies have complained about the show only using classical pieces, saying that the characters would have more varied tastes in music (of course, the real reason being the TV shows didn't have the budget) and now we get something different and people are still complaining.
I don't get it, for years Trekkies have complained about the show only using classical pieces, saying that the characters would have more varied tastes in music (of course, the real reason being the TV shows didn't have the budget) and now we get something different and people are still complaining.
"Magic Carpet Ride" worked in First Contact worked because it came from a 21st Century person (Zefram Cochrane) not Riker and Geordi. If it were Riker and Geordi going: "Let's bust out some Beastie Boys!", it would get the reaction Beyond is currently getting currently.
In The Voyage Home, it's funny watching Kirk, Spock and Co. try to awkwardly assimilate to late 20th century Earth. NuKirk and NuSpock would fit in just fine in that era--and that undercuts an important thread in Star Trek lore.
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07-26-16, 09:30 PM
#122
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
I had that thought before the movie started, "if they do a fourth film with most of this cast, what if they tried a time travel to our times?" I quickly realized the sensibilities of this incarnation wouldn't have anywhere near the humor of TOS crew in 1986.
07-26-16, 09:38 PM
#123
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
Yeah, JJ Abrams self indulgence. And for the record, I'm really sick of seeing Greg Grunberg. He has no business being in front of a camera. Truly terrible.
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07-26-16, 10:20 PM
#124
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
I am a lot more forgiving of Peter Jackson's excessive digital tracking shots all of a sudden. They may look like video games, but at least they develop an actual sense of geography. These make me dizzy. Turn the damn shots right side up. Yet AGAIN, a revenge-drunk villain who wants to destroy the Federation! How many times are we going to the Khan 2.0 well? Yet AGAIN, a fake-out Kirk sacrifice. Lin is a talent action director, but he's obviously way more at home with vehicles, as evidenced by the motorcycle set piece, then with the space stuff and CGI. He's not as TV as Abrams, but this looks too damn cluttered. The F&F movies may be silly, but they have a physicality that this CGI lacks. As is a chronic problem with Trek, the designs for the alien worlds and technology are largely disappointingly uninspired. Kirk and Chekov sliding down the saucer was a little Michael Bay.
That said, there were lots of things to like. The new cast have a lot of fun, and splitting up the characters was smart. It was nice watching them play off of each other in different situations. Quinto and Urban do the Bones/Spock dynamic really well, opposites who are also best friends, and whereas they could've just written out Spock Prime with a single line, the tribute to Nimoy actually feels quite touching, and dovetails really nicely with the arc they gave Spock 2.0. They genuinely do try to find more stuff for the characters to do, and having Scotty jury-rig a low-tech ship was a nice touch, and did a good job of harkening back to the low-fi style of TOS in places, forcing the character to use their brains to solve problems. Seeing an NX-class ship was also really cool. It's also nice to get back to some exploration of an alien world. We spend a good chunk of time there in the second act before the space opera. Elba is a great choice for a villain (Him having evil clones vs. the diversity of the Federation is kind of a nice beat thematically), but like Oscar Isaac in X-Men, it's a shame to have an actor so good and so charismatic buried under so damn much makeup.
Oh, and I swear, someone has reincarnated DeForest Kelly in the body of Karl Urban.
That said, there were lots of things to like. The new cast have a lot of fun, and splitting up the characters was smart. It was nice watching them play off of each other in different situations. Quinto and Urban do the Bones/Spock dynamic really well, opposites who are also best friends, and whereas they could've just written out Spock Prime with a single line, the tribute to Nimoy actually feels quite touching, and dovetails really nicely with the arc they gave Spock 2.0. They genuinely do try to find more stuff for the characters to do, and having Scotty jury-rig a low-tech ship was a nice touch, and did a good job of harkening back to the low-fi style of TOS in places, forcing the character to use their brains to solve problems. Seeing an NX-class ship was also really cool. It's also nice to get back to some exploration of an alien world. We spend a good chunk of time there in the second act before the space opera. Elba is a great choice for a villain (Him having evil clones vs. the diversity of the Federation is kind of a nice beat thematically), but like Oscar Isaac in X-Men, it's a shame to have an actor so good and so charismatic buried under so damn much makeup.
Oh, and I swear, someone has reincarnated DeForest Kelly in the body of Karl Urban.
07-26-16, 11:03 PM
#125
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Trek Beyond (Lin, 2016) — The Spoiler Filled Reviews Thread
In the various incarnations of Trek, our time: the 20th (and 21st century) is considered savage and backward (with redeeming features) by the people of the 23rd and 24th century.
"Magic Carpet Ride" worked in First Contact worked because it came from a 21st Century person (Zefram Cochrane) not Riker and Geordi. If it were Riker and Geordi going: "Let's bust out some Beastie Boys!", it would get the reaction Beyond is currently getting currently.
"Magic Carpet Ride" worked in First Contact worked because it came from a 21st Century person (Zefram Cochrane) not Riker and Geordi. If it were Riker and Geordi going: "Let's bust out some Beastie Boys!", it would get the reaction Beyond is currently getting currently.